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Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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So i need to reboot my Mac after installing the Messages demo? Can't remember ever seeing that with an Apple product other than Xcode.

iTunes updates often require a reboot. Previous iWork installs have also.

Most of the time, an actual restart is not required, just logging out and then back in.

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> Oh and I don't have to pay 99GBP to write software that works on it. Visual Studio is free. Not sure what you're talking about, XCode is free. Visual Studio is $799.

He's referring to the fact you have to pay $99.00 to distribute your apps on the App Store. The IDE's on both OS's are irrelevant arguments. There are free versions of Visual Studio as well that work just as nice as the Professional editions. Those editions are for corporate enterprise architect roles etc.

If you think Visual studio express works as well as pro, or that pro and the like are only for corporate enterprise architects and e like. You've clearly never used visual studio pro. Profiling and x64 support are two trivial examples of what's missing, both of which are features included in the free Xcode.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Messages is great, but is there a way to get every iMessage duplicated across iPhone / Mac? Otherwise you send an iMessage, close the mac, grap the iPhone and go away, but never get the reply back. And so forth.

Thats the way it works. My iPad, iPhone and now Messages Beta display every message

At least 2 weeks ago I also was not seeing that behaivor. I had to unpaid my iPad because I was missing vital messages on my iPhone. Its possible that my iPhone was out of service at the time. But that shouldnt matternn

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Neither of these will work, because (a) the signing key is per-developer and (b) the entire point is that when your malware is found to be signed with key X, key X is revoked and your software no longer runs. That's the purpose of the system...

So the signing key for $COMPANY will now be worth money for extorsion.

And is, again, instantly revokable. It'll be annoying if it's stolen, but you just revoke it, give the company the new one, and update the app in the app store (or your download, if you're not in the store). This is arguably far better than being unknowingly hit by malware.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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You're not. The continuing IOSification of OSX is something that has been bugging me too and part of why, to date, I've yet to upgrade to Lion. It looks like Apple wants to create a more iOS-like approach across all its products, which is fine if you buy into the whole ecosystem. It also seems there's a trend here, with Apple bringing iOS increasingly into OSX and Microsoft bringing Windows Phone into Windows 8, the…

This worries me too, and I hope it doesn't go too far. However I am using Lion and in general I don't really notice it in this OS. In fact, other than the reverse scrolling behaviour (which would be easy to revert if I cared) I rarely notice any difference in behaviour between my Lion laptop and my girlfriend's Snow Leopard laptop.

the good thing is you can always use Windows or Linux.

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The thing I'm by far the most excited about is AirPlay Mirroring. If I'm reading this correctly, I'll be able to mirror anything from my Mac to my TV using an Apple TV. This will be great for watching Internet videos, going through my iPhoto library with my wife, looking at home videos, etc. All without needing a stupid cable from my couch to my TV. The deeper iCloud integration is also intriguing. I assume this mean…

I would like AirPlay mirroring the other way around too -- let my iPad / iPhone cast to my Mac. Very useful for presentations and iOS product demos.

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There's enough money in app spamming that it would have to be a lot higher than that to put them off. As a rule the people who act like arseholes have at least as much money as those who don't, I don't think it's going to put them off. I agree a nominal fee is reasonable as it puts another barrier in their way (you can check for duplicate memberships off the same card for instance so they have to get multiple cards)…

That's a good point. It would help get the beta testers out of the forums though :) Every time a new iOS version starts testing the forums are overrun with people who have x bug and don't understand what beta means. I wish there was a way for Apple to prevent a lot of the App Store spam. I wouldn't be against them becoming more curated (i.e. only apps they deem useful and quality get it). Or have a special section in…

I'm not sure that charging more is the solution, there's no shortage of people with more money than sense!

I don't see why Apple don't invite the developers of high-ranking iOS apps to an early-access program in order to keep their best apps up to date, and not invite anybody else to the beta.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Nothing exciting. Let me quantify this before I get shot by the Apple fanboys. I'm not a Microsoft fanboy either but I am not buying the hype and feature sheet. Example: 1. iCloud. Have Windows Live ID and Live Mesh integration in windows for nearly 3 years now. Works across mobile devices already. 2. Messages. Windows Live Messenger has social integration already which is on par with this. 3. Reminders. Windows Live…

OneNote only comes with Microsoft Office. Which you can also purchase for Mac. Xcode is free. A developer code signing certificate costs money whether you buy it through Apple or Verisign. Want to release trusted apps on Windows that don't throw up scary looking security warnings to your users that download them? Guess you'll need to pay $299 a year to Verisign or some other CA for that privilege. Gatekeeper is actua…

FYI, Office for Mac doesn't include OneNote, which isn't available on Mac.

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I believe Microsoft doesn't add this by default, because otherwise it would get into trouble with cartel authorities.

You are probably right. I prefer an additive process i.e. install what I want from a clean install. Every time I grab a Mac, I have to remove all the crap from it (Garageband, iPhoto etc). It's easier to drop the restore CD in and reinstall it from scratch without all the junk (and don't tell me to just leave it there as it takes up valuable space on an Air SSD).

First, deleting iLife apps is as simple as dragging the particular app you don't want to the Trash and then emptying the trash, no significant uninstall process required. I'd hardly call that a significant issue to whine about.

Second, you claim you have an Air and that you're dropping in a restore CD. Does not compute.

Easy with the hyperbole.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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The magic of Mac is that it's BOTH a great developer / hacker machine (POSIX/BSD + GNU tools with great hardware, power mgmt, etc), and a great machine for people who don't know how to use computers.

It's inevitable that the layer for non-techies feels more and more integrated with iOS.

Will we ever lose access to the do-anything BSD box underneath? That will be a sad day for me - Windows+cygwin is an abomination.

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