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Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by aflukasz »

jlokier wrote: post #260
electroly wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This level of account paranoia (which is infamous at this point; it's one of the primary things mentioned every time Hetzner comes up) is one of several reasons why Hetzner is doomed to be a second-rate provider. If you have a credit card, you can get an AWS account. I've never provided any kind of ID to any American hosting provider. They wait until after you've done something bad to ban you.

It's more expensive to provide AWS-type "assume you can be trusted" service at a low-cost provider - and Hetzner is one of the lowest-cost big providers. Low-cost attracts more fraudulent customers, using stolen credit card numbers. Hosting is particularly bad for this compared with other low-cost services, because of the community of people who want to use rented servers for DDOS and such, ideally without paying or…

Could some "insurance", paid extra, be a solution to this? As in saying to Hetzner, hey, I'm a legitimate consumer, willing to pay extra for, say, a year, so that you do some additional checks (EDIT: in advance) and/or switch me to a better tier of more relaxed "fraud detection", offering some hot line, like between Russian and American generals, to help avoid any accidental, hm, deletions?

Or would that just not scale?

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by sebhook »

Hetzner_OL wrote: post #56
mythz wrote: post #48

We're a long time Hetzner dedicated server customer currently transitioning from their dedicated servers in Germany to their US Cloud product (for reduced latency) which we can highly recommend as it was the best US Cloud provider we've found that works out to be an order of magnitude less expensive than equivalent specs on Azure/AWS and also includes 20TB free bandwidth that would cost a fortune in AWS/Azure's artif…

Thanks so much for the detailed recommendation! We're thrilled that you're with us, that you appreciate our low prices, that you find our Cloud Console pleasant to use, and that our rescale feature helps you grow so easily! --Katie

Are you going to be hiring in the US?

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by Medowar »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #238
foolswisdom wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, because you pay by the operation, but by the amount of data in that operation. S3 also has operations costs, but those are separate from the egress costs, which are throb the roof.

Does anyone know what the actual margin on outbound data / egress is? S3 is charging $0.023 per GB, right? IIUC - there's not a fixed cost for sending 1 GB of data. The cost differs based on where you send from and send to. So it'd be hard to have a really good estimate - but I'm wondering if anyone has a good ballpark figure. My understanding is that transferring data on the same continent (vast majority of traffic)…

Amazon egress changes depends on the region of the s3 data location.

Bandwith cost highly depends on the scale and target network. Cloudflare has a good blogpost on relative bandwith cost: https://blog.cloudflare.com/bandwidth-costs-around-the-world...

To put numbers to the relativity, for a somewhat smaller datacenter in Central Europe with a 100Gbit/s connection, the running Cost of transit is somewhere around 0.00004€ per GB, on a theoretically fully sustained connection(not realistic, also with no redundancy or hardware). Peering is basically free(after initial buildout) with around 3k€ per 100Gbit/s (https://www.ams-ix.net/ams/pricing). This all excludes cost of investment for initial buildout and hardware. On a scale on amazons level this becomes even cheaper, since operating your own network is cheaper than buying transit.

Hetzner charges 1,19€ per TB, amazon 90$(on the first 10 TB). So amazon probably doesnt really care about the price differences per region and went with a mixed calculation, since their margins are so absurdly huge.

also, major parts of the cost are in hardware and staffing/development, of which amazon has way more, due to the demands of SDN.

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by js4ever »

ptman wrote: post #155
mythz wrote: post #48

We're a long time Hetzner dedicated server customer currently transitioning from their dedicated servers in Germany to their US Cloud product (for reduced latency) which we can highly recommend as it was the best US Cloud provider we've found that works out to be an order of magnitude less expensive than equivalent specs on Azure/AWS and also includes 20TB free bandwidth that would cost a fortune in AWS/Azure's artif…

I wonder when Aiven https://aiven.io/ (or something similar) will start supporting hetzner.

You might be interested by Elestio, we support 13 managed DB and 170 other open-source software. We also support hetzner including this new Hillsboro region.

https://elest.io/

Disclaimer: I'm the CTO

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by derfabianpeter »

nigma1337 wrote: post #175

Does anyone have any experience running kubernetes on hetzner? We're currently using DOKS, but are strongly considering setting something up on bare metal servers, as digital ocean are rather expensive (compared to hetzner that is)

My company [1] offers this as a managed services and we’re very happy with hetzners offerings for the K8s ecosystem. Fairly easy to use a variety of tools to get K8s up and running reliably (we roll our own solution though)

[1] https://www.ayedo.de

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by welterde »

baridbelmedar wrote: post #198
arlcode wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True. Now that they are entangled with US law there might be an incentive to be as a cooperative as possible. Yet, Hetzner is still a "better" option (with regards to data protection) than any of the big US-based cloud providers.

Not sure I follow, in what way are they better? Imho, as soon as you do business with the US or trade in US Dollars, you need to play nice with the relevant authorities. If I understood it correctly, Hetzner is now "infected" in the same way as the three US cloud providers are. The Schrems II verdict and Cloud ACT basically concludes that no European company can exist in the US and vice versa without having to deal w…

Why would it matter at all if it's a minority or majority stake in the ownership of the US subsidiary? As far as I understood it the combination of GDPR and CLOUD act only disallows the combination of US mother-company with EU subsidiary, but the inverse should be fine, since the US has no legal influence over the parent company?

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Post by eloff »

Hetzner_OL wrote: post #10
heipei wrote: post #2

That's great to hear, happy Hetzner customer for many years. Now if they start offering dedicated servers in US locations with equally competitive pricing as for their Germany and Finland DCs then a lot of other players are going to feel the heat.

Thanks for the feedback about our dedicated root servers. It's great to know that we have fans there that would like to also see these products in the States. Installing the infrastructure for our own dedicated root servers in the USA means a much bigger investment in terms of making sure the DC/DC parks are up to our very high standards. For now at least, we are concentrating on gradually adding a few more cloud loc…

I'm also waiting eagerly for Hetzner dedicated servers in the US ever since before your expansion plans initio the US were announced. There's just nothing like your EU dedicated offering in the states.

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by Barrin92 »

rollcat wrote: post #239
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #147

They have extremely impressive prices, but I've always been hesitant to use them for anything important because they've historically been known for very aggressively shutting down your service if their automated systems detect e.g. suspicious traffic. The most recent and egregious example would be banning users who run cryptocurrency-related nodes, even if not mining, despite only mining and similar activities being…

This is becoming a trend. SourceHut has banned cryptocurrency-related software from its platform. While I'm a vocal opponent of cryptocurrency and related technologies, I'm a little bit torn on this particular issue - it's a soft form of censorship. The cryptocurrency market is currently already collapsing under its own weight. I don't think the idea should be attacked directly though (ideas are bulletproof), rather…

It isn't censorship, it's freedom of association. Any business is free to decide who it does business with, offering trade and services requires consent from two parties, economic transactions are voluntary. Last time I checked sort of a leading principle of the whole cryptocurrency community.

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Post by mightybyte »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #147

They have extremely impressive prices, but I've always been hesitant to use them for anything important because they've historically been known for very aggressively shutting down your service if their automated systems detect e.g. suspicious traffic. The most recent and egregious example would be banning users who run cryptocurrency-related nodes, even if not mining, despite only mining and similar activities being…

> They have extremely impressive prices, but I've always been hesitant to use them for anything important because they've historically been known for very aggressively shutting down your service if their automated systems detect e.g. suspicious traffic.

I came here to say the same thing. I've had production servers shut down by Hetzner with zero warning. And I believe they also kept the hardware running and continued charging you for it...just without network. As a result of this experience, I now consider Hetzner unusable for production systems.

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by Beaver117 »

Barrin92 wrote: post #278
rollcat wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is becoming a trend. SourceHut has banned cryptocurrency-related software from its platform. While I'm a vocal opponent of cryptocurrency and related technologies, I'm a little bit torn on this particular issue - it's a soft form of censorship. The cryptocurrency market is currently already collapsing under its own weight. I don't think the idea should be attacked directly though (ideas are bulletproof), rather…

It isn't censorship, it's freedom of association. Any business is free to decide who it does business with, offering trade and services requires consent from two parties, economic transactions are voluntary. Last time I checked sort of a leading principle of the whole cryptocurrency community.

That's not true, a business can't discriminate on race, gender, etc. But crypto ownership is ok. We draw the line at race and gender, but it's not a free for all
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