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Post by newyankee »

P5fRxh5kUvp2th wrote: post #152
azangru wrote: post #126

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> Many of them just can't speak English correctly. Only a small percentage of the individuals who speak English at a proficient level of those who do, they predominately come from very wealthy upper caste families and now you have a new problem. There is something very confusing to me in this paragraph. You put forth as a premise (at least if I am understanding the logic of the paragraph correctly) that fluency in En…

India works on a caste system, said caste system being very discriminatory. What the other poster meant is that you'll end up hiring out of the upper castes and they'll display a lot of bias towards other castes. It's to the point that many from India won't admit to the caste they're in.

That is a very far fetched statement. I am an Indian and technically from Other backward class (OBC) as classified in the system. I have never had a problem in my city. Off course that doesn't mean that India is not a huge and complex country with 100s if not thousands of groups differentiated based on region, class , caste etc. You are colouring a very complicated and nuanced issue with your personal biases.

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Post by [deleted] »

secondcoming wrote: post #256
aliqot wrote: post #250

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We Latinos don't say LatinX

Nor does the US Latino community. Doesn't stop it being used. But translating the DEI stuff from a US perspective to a European one is difficult. So as far as I concerned the Italians and Spanish are LatinX.

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Post by sumeno »

jwond wrote: post #237
sumeno wrote: post #219

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Because we work in an industry and are posting on a website that is predominantly male and white. Any time even the smallest measures are taken to improve the balance there's just a bunch of whining about being discriminated against. It's as silly and unfounded as complaining how "foreigners are coming to take our jobs" It's the same attitude that makes it hard to recruit women and people of color into the industry,…

When people are victims of discrimination based on their race or sex they are likely to complain about it. The fact that some people believe the discrimination is justified is little solace to someone who is actually subject to said discrimination. If that makes you feel gross then you’ll just have to deal with it I guess.

Yes, when a privileged group begins to face a more equitable situation they often feel discriminated against, it doesn't make it true. White men still have incredible advantages in this industry and the half hearted diversity initiatives in the industry haven't changed that at all.

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Post by NoraCodes »

NeverFade wrote: post #268
NoraCodes wrote: post #254

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Yeah, that sounds like racial discrimination against Asian students! You'll note that I did not say there was no such thing as racial discrimination against Asian students, so I'm not sure how this is relevant.

So we know there is racial discrimination against Asians based on their race, and in favor of blacks and hispanics. Yet when I cited an example of an Asian kid getting rejected in favor of a black kid, you claimed I invented it. When you now admit we know it is happening.

At no point did I say that wasn't happening. I was responding to your comment about economic factors. Did I misunderstand your original comment? You said:

> I'm sure that will be a great comfort to the Asian kid who was born in poverty, got bullied in school, struggled all his life to achieve the grades and stats to qualify for a top school, then got rejected in favor of a rich black American kid

Is this not about the interaction between economic status and race in the context of affirmative action?

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Post by alephnerd »

philliphaydon wrote: post #98
notart666 wrote: post #73

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Many of them just can't speak English correctly. Only a small percentage of the individuals who speak English at a proficient level of those who do, they predominately come from very wealthy upper caste families and now you have a new problem. And well. When it comes to caste, many Indians simply believe it to not exist anymore in India because of how deeply engrained it is in their social classes they never notice i…

I don’t understand the English thing. I lived in Singapore for 10 years and have heard so many words pronounced wrong. To give an example one of my ex coworkers used to say the word swap as sw-app. Another one said return as ret-urn. I did ask them and they said they are taught phonics and so they just say the words how they are written. English is such a turd language. We have so many rules and then all those rules…

You’re giving the original poster too much credit. He’s just straight up being racist. If he heard Singaporean English m, ai lah this ang moh would also call it incomprehensible.

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Post by spoonjim »

nonamechicken wrote: post #174
mkl95 wrote: post #53

I was a consultant for an American company that also hired dozens of cheap consultants from development countries. Mostly India but also neighbouring countries and some Eastern European countries. Indians were by far the hardest to work with. They ghosted women systematically which was a nightmare for our project manager. They also lied shamelessly about their qualifications which led to absurd situations. The proble…

> They ghosted women systematically which was a nightmare for our project manager. What do you mean by this? That they refuse to work with women based on their gender? "India has more women STEM grads than US, UK or France". And I see way way more women employees in software companies in India compared to US. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/india-has-more-wom...

Absolutely there is more gender parity, largely because the type of IT work done by the bodyshop firms like Infosys and TCS is more like a decently paid white collar McJob than anything else. You see a lot of female developers in Infosys because it’s (accurately) seen in the same universe as accounting or secretarial work.

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Post by MisterSandman »

nonamechicken wrote: post #228
thumbsup-_- wrote: post #170

Unfortunately not hiring married women with kids or asking women about their plan to have kids, not hiring older candidates or candidates with sick family members is a common practice in India. Glad that these evil companies are being called out in other parts of the world

I don't believe this at all. I see the exact opposite happening in my Indian company. They are encouraging women leaders so much. I am right now working with one who climbed 2 grades in 2-3 years (which normally would take several years), and she has an all female team now (which is discriminatory by the way). Her male Indian bosses encourage and support her so much, while my male managers treat me (a male) like shit…

I find it hard to believe that you live and work in India and don't believe this. It's literally everywhere, I'm glad your company isn't like that but even spending 15 minutes talking to someone working at an MNC will tell you that this is unfortunately common.

And India offering maternity leave does nothing to solve the prejudice against women by hiring managers.

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Post by throw10920 »

padolsey wrote: post #25
newsclues wrote: post #17

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Both are discriminatory, but one is virtuous and the other is bad?

Yes. Not to mince words, as others frequently do, but that's basically what's happening. The alterntive, so-called "pure meritocracy", is a farce because the implied implicit "merit" is, by the very nature of the systemic inequalities that exist, unequally distributed. And merit is transferred down the generations. Privilege begets privilege. Etc. This is the issue that we are rightfully trying to counter. It is righ…

If affirmative action was being applied with the same care as a scientific study, then you might be able to say that it's moral discrimination.

But it's not. It's being applied with the same level of knee-jerk emotional reaction and sloppiness of classic "I don't like people of skin color x" racial prejudice - which is what it is.

The theory that you're describing is quite different from what is being applied in the real world.

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Post by P5fRxh5kUvp2th »

phpisthebest wrote: post #257
P5fRxh5kUvp2th wrote: post #225

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>>isn't the midwest also a wasteland of homelessness and druggies? No, We have a big problem with drugs that is true, but I would not call it a "wasteland" AS far a homelessness, it is a problem like it is everywhere but I have never seen anything like what is seen in CA in my life. I would call that a wasteland of homelessness. We have tons and charities, and lower cost of living making our homelessness problem gene…

I know, I was poking fun, it's also why I used the wording 'city folk'.

Most on HN cannot imagine just how ignorant they are. It borders on the Marie Antoinette quote 'let them eat cake' (I'm aware its apocryphal).

You're right that the problem exists everywhere, it's just they don't put themselves into positions to see many homeless, but read stories of the poor and homeless in the rural area and make the mistake of thinking they have some grasp.

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Post by luckylion »

gilbetron wrote: post #122
luckylion wrote: post #83

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You give weighted shoes to other people in another location a few years down the line, right?

Or you move the affected runners up to a position they would have been in.

Oh, I thought you were making an analogy.
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