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Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by anon291 »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #23
Huh1337 wrote: post #9

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Pushing for more women/minorities in STEM/leadership positions = you're fixing the global problem, doing the opposite = you're making the global problem worse.

People aren't fungible. Discriminating in favor of some women/minorities doesn't help other other women/minorities elsewhere who have been harmed by discrimination. The goal should be to reduce injustice, not to incur more injustice as a mechanism to achieve parity between arbitrary identity groups.

No person is a problem because of theyir sex or skin color. That is what you are insinuating.

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Post by NoraCodes »

aliqot wrote: post #207
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #135

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> So 'reverse discrimination', when applied correctly, can help to break those structural inequities. Can the irish apply to get priviliges? Or is the only factor here the persons skin color?

Also the Jewish and Italians, because they were discriminated against similarly at the time.

Some major US schools did have affirmative action for Jews for a time to offset their prior policies that banned Jews from attending. Jewish students are now not statistically at any disadvantage compared to the average, so such programs aren't necessary.

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Post by programmer_dude »

lloydatkinson wrote: post #153
29athrowaway wrote: post #110

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English is an official language over there, but it is spoken differently.

Different indeed. Every sentence sounds like a question with a small delay before the last word of the sentence. I have no idea why this is, but you can see it in literally any Indian engineering lecture recording on YouTube. It definitely does not inspire confidence they know the topic they are teaching.

Hmm, this is interesting. Never realized this was a thing. Care to submit a specimen link?

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Post by pdimitar »

dartharva wrote: post #168

This entire comment section seems to have gone down the drain to Reddit-tier exchanges. People giving their own false commentary on broad topics just for the sake of it without even trying to understand contexts, this is totally not expected on HN.

Same was happening during the pandemic and it was much worse even.

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Post by P5fRxh5kUvp2th »

phpisthebest wrote: post #97
notart666 wrote: post #82

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Well Dr.Detroit. Where I'm from in the Midwest. Black people live predominately in homelessness because the white majority just refuses to hire them for jobs. As for many of them as well, they are underemployed even when they seek employment opportunities.

I am in the midwest, live in a mid size city in the mid west. I live in a Middle Income Neighborhood in the midwest... Demographics of this city I believe are 30% minority and 70% white. Of the 10 Homes owners closest to me (and they are all home owners no rentals) 4 of them are black. My employer has a much larger than 30% black workforce. Homelessness is not a large problem here, however it is primarily white men t…

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Post by velavar »

As an Indian woman that studied and worked for a bit in India, this is not surprising at all. When prepping for job placements in my University, we would sometimes practice answers to questions around why they should hire a woman who might just get married and leave the company for her kids. I remember the recruiter for a multinational company asking me this very question and 22-year old me desperately trying to convince her that I was not interested in having kids. I now understand that this is more tied to the country's culture than the companies themselves. If everyone around you can discuss this without blinking, it becomes normal to ask such questions I suppose.

I've been in the US for the last 7 years now and as a woman in my thirties, it's an incredible relief that nobody ever asks me my plans for kids and the like in my interviews! I know that my child-bearing age shouldn't be a factor, but thanks to my past experiences, I'm always wondering if the decisions behind the scenes are silently taking this into account.

Edit: my personal experiences may be different even from someone of the same gender/age/origin. Please consider this with a pinch of salt :)

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Post by smugma »

echelon wrote: post #131
notart666 wrote: post #109

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English is the simplest Latin based language. This has nothing to do with pronunciation but not even knowing basic words. Or how to communicate. Only a small percentage of Indians speak English and most statistics on it are heavily inflated. The Indian English Education system is the same one the Japanese and Koreans use. And they don't know English. The reality is it's like if you learned Spanish in middle school to…

> English is the simplest Latin based language. Any sources for this? The lack of certain complex features (eg. gendered words) does make it seem true, but English borrows from a lot of sources and is very inconsistent. A comparison I like to make is that Japanese is one of the simplest to pronounce languages. If you learn the kana, you essentially learn all of the phonemes (there's a bit more nuance). I'd like to kn…

There are people who measure language difficulty. The uS state department does it from a US perspective but I’ve seen others

https://www.state.gov/foreign-language-training/

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Post by nonamechicken »

thumbsup-_- wrote: post #170

Unfortunately not hiring married women with kids or asking women about their plan to have kids, not hiring older candidates or candidates with sick family members is a common practice in India. Glad that these evil companies are being called out in other parts of the world

I don't believe this at all. I see the exact opposite happening in my Indian company. They are encouraging women leaders so much. I am right now working with one who climbed 2 grades in 2-3 years (which normally would take several years), and she has an all female team now (which is discriminatory by the way). Her male Indian bosses encourage and support her so much, while my male managers treat me (a male) like shit most of the time.

Indian companies are required to give paid maternity leave of 26 weeks by the way.

https://www.startuphrtoolkit.com/maternity-leave-in-india/

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Post by icy »

notart666 wrote: post #109
philliphaydon wrote: post #98

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I don’t understand the English thing. I lived in Singapore for 10 years and have heard so many words pronounced wrong. To give an example one of my ex coworkers used to say the word swap as sw-app. Another one said return as ret-urn. I did ask them and they said they are taught phonics and so they just say the words how they are written. English is such a turd language. We have so many rules and then all those rules…

English is the simplest Latin based language. This has nothing to do with pronunciation but not even knowing basic words. Or how to communicate. Only a small percentage of Indians speak English and most statistics on it are heavily inflated. The Indian English Education system is the same one the Japanese and Koreans use. And they don't know English. The reality is it's like if you learned Spanish in middle school to…

> most things are written in the languages they use

Do you know anything about India or are you merely talking out of your ass? This is patently false—nearly all documents are in three languages: English, Hindi and the state’s local language.

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Post by secondcoming »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #135
acegopher wrote: post #60

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While 'reverse discrimination' can end up being a concern, the societal reason for it's use is to correct for past legal or defacto discrimination that may have become structural. Discrimination can have long-lasting or multi-generational effects that can persist. Men may consciously or subconsciously prefer other men, calling it "culture fit". Today's minorities may not have the same wealth distribution, which allow…

> So 'reverse discrimination', when applied correctly, can help to break those structural inequities. Can the irish apply to get priviliges? Or is the only factor here the persons skin color?

I'm Irish and am pretty sure I'm 'BAME'. The Poles definitely are. I don't know if Italians / Spanish are 'LatinX' or not.
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