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No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

yuuu wrote: post #127
newaccount74 wrote: post #95

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One of my favorite examples of this is how coconut oil is advertised all over youtube by thousands of influencers as a superfood that must be a part of a healthy diet. (Especially since it's hardly an oil in my opinion -- it's partially solid at room temperature) There's absolutely no reliable evidence that coconut oil has any beneficial effects on the human body, and I really don't see why anybody would believe that…

Just more horseshit from Big Coconut, that's what I think.

Those coconuts have definitely got blood on their hands:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_by_coconut

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Post by JohnJamesRambo »

notch656a wrote: post #243
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #39

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Yes that is an anecdote. We get better info by looking at large groups of people and that is what the recommendation is based on.

Agreed, although a single shot of moonshine is a equivalent to a little over a pint of beer. You can drink that and be well within alcohol consumption guidelines in US. Even most alcohol-naïve people would only be minimally intoxicated from a single shot of moonshine.

The guidelines are probably wrong. All recent scientific data I see shows that, like most poisons, the best amount to intake is zero.

Here’s one for brain health.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.10.21256931v...

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Post by BirAdam »

lancesells wrote: post #193
BirAdam wrote: post #88

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All drugs should be decriminalized. Shooting people in drug raids is far worse for those people than are the drugs. Likewise, locking people in cages with other misfits, criminals, malcontents, and addicts isn’t smart (especially considering that drugs are in the prisons too). If the goal is truly harm reduction, people need to simply work to convince drug users to not use drugs (whether those are opioids, alcohol, t…

I'm not refuting and generally agree with your sentiment here in harm reduction but I tried to see the collateral damage of drug raids vs drugs. In the US the CDC reported 100,000 overdoses from drugs in the 12 months preceding April 2021[1]. I can't find how many people die from drug raids specifically but this Al-Jazeera article shows 1,068 people being killed by the police a year after George Floyd died[2]. And fo…

An addict can become not an addict. A person killed by police cannot become anything other than a corpse. The severity of the harm has a temporal component due to time preference.

EDIT: Also, dying of overdose is both a symptom of illegality and of the addiction. If a thing is outlawed the production isn’t exactly regular and therefore strength/purity of the substance varies.

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Post by nabla9 »

colechristensen wrote: post #225

Question one: what is the world heart federation? I have never heard of it before today. Two: > The evidence is clear: any level of alcohol consumption can lead to loss of healthy life. The evidence is not clear. There are plenty of studies showing benefits. “Any level” “can” makes the statement technically true but meaningless, you could replace alcohol with anything and that would also be true. If you want to back…

> There are plenty of studies showing benefits.

Yes. And these studies are being exposed as the product of alcohol lobby.

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/3/21/17139036/he...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6055701/

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Post by yonaguska »

selectodude wrote: post #198
nradov wrote: post #172

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That is faulty logic. We hypothesize that mRNA vaccines for COVID-19 are safe but do not know the long term effects. Why should we exercise conservatism for some drugs but not for vaccines? To be clear, I'm just using that as an example of logical inconsistency and I recommend that everyone eligible protect themselves by getting vaccinated. I also think that all recreational drugs should be legalized (or at least dec…

For what it's worth, mRNA immunotherapies for cancer have been being injected into people for almost 20 years now. Efficacy aside, we know the medium-long term outcomes of injecting ourselves with mRNA.

The relative risk reduction for potentially catching covid-19 vs actually having cancer are radically different. Long to medium term risk of adverse effects from mRNA therapies are probably not weighed heavily against imminent eventuality of short term death with cancer. Edit- that's not to say I don't disagree with you on us knowing the long-medium term risks of mRNA therapies.

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Post by api »

halflings wrote: post #120
newaccount74 wrote: post #95

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One of my favorite examples of this is how coconut oil is advertised all over youtube by thousands of influencers as a superfood that must be a part of a healthy diet. (Especially since it's hardly an oil in my opinion -- it's partially solid at room temperature) There's absolutely no reliable evidence that coconut oil has any beneficial effects on the human body, and I really don't see why anybody would believe that…

Same goes for agave syrup and other health fads.

There's a ton of alternative kinds of sugar that are marketed as healthier than sugar but are in fact just sugar extracted from a different plant or other source. Sugar is sugar.

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Post by gwd »

endisneigh wrote: post #221
gwd wrote: post #207

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> Parent: 'You can drink, but you can't do cocaine.' > Kid: 'Why?' Parent: 'Because alcohol is legal and cocaine isn't; that has several consequences. 'Governmental regulations provide some confidence that alcohol is safe and as-advertised; there is no regulation of the manufacturing quality of cocaine. 'Buying alcohol brings you into close proximity to the liquor supply chain, all of whom can settle disputes by usin…

This isn’t actually a reason, though, as it begs the question. Cocaine could definitely be manufactured legally if made legal.

These are what I consider to be the strongest reasons why my child shouldn't do cocaine in my country right now. If they go to a country where it's well-regulated, then the cost/benefits calculation changes quite a bit.

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Post by haroldp »

RobertRoberts wrote: post #208
haroldp wrote: post #181

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What you are thinking of as the side effects of drug addiction are mainly the side effects of prohibition. Alcohol addiction is a serious problem, with serious negative consequences. So we made it illegal. And then we had two problems instead of one. Drug laws do not decrease addiction rates. They do make drugs unnecessarily expensive, and force addicts to interact with violent criminal gangs to get them. The negativ…

Which drug will do more harm if freely available to all children? Alcohol, meth, heroin or crack? I will pick alcohol every time over the others.

Which vehicle will do more harm if freely available to all children? Car, tank or crane with wrecking ball?

I would suggest that children shouldn't be driving at all.

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Post by perardi »

carnitine wrote: post #253
perardi wrote: post #210

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Oh-ho, no, not in my experience. I used to be devastatingly introverted. Alcohol helped, but it’s nothing compared to GHB or MDMA. Ecstasy will give you the gift of gab like you can’t believe. minor edit: I should say I am ignoring the context of where it’s acceptable to do such things. You probably shouldn’t do G at Christmas with the in-laws. (Though our quarantine Christmas this year with friends…) I’m just making…

You can drink alcohol after work with colleagues though. It’s far more helpful socially than party drugs due to its ubiquity.

I’ll grant you that 7 years of working remotely have slightly warped my idea of what people do at office parties.
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