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Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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I was wrong with vitamin C, it was vitamin A deficiency that is correlated with severe symptoms, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28282701/ And given that precise numbers like 93% is meaningless. One should either give the range or at least describe the population. And it turned out 93% was not coming from the study in https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/118/12/e2026153118.full.pd... , they just reference https://www.nc…

Do you expect HN comments to use more accurate language than medical researchers use in published papers? I don't. So describing the difference between "93%" and "about 93%" as 'much more sensible', in this context, seems excessively nitpicky. Even more so given that you got the wrong vitamin and it took you a couple of tries until you got the right citation.

I am extremely skeptical about precise numbers in medicine. The biology just does not work in that way. And it does no matter if the number comes from HN comments or peer-reviewed journal article. It signals that with very high probability that at best those who gave the number do not understand what they are talking about. At worst in can be just an arbitrary number where the extra precision was used to give a sense of legitimacy.

And note how much better the claim from the original article sounds: the efficiency of at least 90%. Which tells that even if one follow a reasonable lifestyle that minimizes chances of getting the infection (or at least feed infants in a reasonable way as we are talking about And yes, it was stupid for me to rely on the memory when claiming about particular vitamin.

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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Do you expect HN comments to use more accurate language than medical researchers use in published papers? I don't. So describing the difference between "93%" and "about 93%" as 'much more sensible', in this context, seems excessively nitpicky. Even more so given that you got the wrong vitamin and it took you a couple of tries until you got the right citation.

I am extremely skeptical about precise numbers in medicine. The biology just does not work in that way. And it does no matter if the number comes from HN comments or peer-reviewed journal article. It signals that with very high probability that at best those who gave the number do not understand what they are talking about. At worst in can be just an arbitrary number where the extra precision was used to give a sense…

> And it does no matter if the number comes from HN comments or peer-reviewed journal article.

I’m sorry, that’s absurd. You will always be picking pedantic fights with people if you expect everyone everywhere to meet the standards of peer reviewed medicine.

From the outside picking a fight over the difference between “93%” and “about 93%” on a technology board is pedantic to the point of being suspicious.

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/measles/index.html > The MMR vaccine is very safe and effective. Two doses of MMR vaccine are about 97% effective at preventing measles; one dose is about 93% effective. Prevention of Measles, Rubella, Congenital Rubella Syndrome, and Mumps, 2013 Summary Recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) at https://www.jstor.org/stable/24832555 > One dose of me…

Seeing people very critical of vaccine studies of a successfully eradicated disease that has had a long time since to evaluate that success aside a really generous benefit of the doubt given to vague claims about vitamin supplements makes me sad. We can be observant and suspicious about the healthcare industry while also admitting that there is science being done. They manufacture vitamin C supplements, too. They mak…

In fact, there is a lot of money in supplements, lots of which aren’t FDA regulated to even work.

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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Seriously not impressed. Just spitballing here but to me strict health measures would be something like: 1. Here is the antiviral prophylactic we expect you to take starting X days before you depart and continuing until X days after you arrive. 2. Here is the shower at the entrance to the base that you must use before entering the base proper. 3. Here are the OTC meds or other protocols we expect to keep coughs and s…

You can clean the nasal passage with hydrogen peroxide but it’s not a nice thing to do.

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Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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What aspect, specifically, is suspected to be wrong? The scientific understanding of viruses might be further along than most doctors suspect. There are concepts like pangenome that are becoming appreciated at the research level that might not have gotten to doctors yet.

This is completely off topic, and I apologize, but I clicked your profile. First off, I am impressed by your credentials, very nice work, you should be proud. But this segment in your about: box is oddly hilarious to me. Maybe I've just had too much champagne. Happy New Year, from a West Coaster posting at 12:05 AM. >yt code channel: https://www.youtube.com/playlistlist=PLf5mA1y1vDNlydJ8d5CmSt... >[censored by desine…

haha that's a good point. I should change it. This is what happens with incremental changes and no unit tests

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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>What aspect, specifically, is suspected to be wrong? That depends on who you ask. Different people have different hypotheses and concepts they explore.

Too late to edit, but I'm getting mixed votes (which I usually don't pay much attention to), so I will explain: There's a few different frameworks people are working within. From my experience, linking or forwarding to any "outside the box" ideas in this sphere will only invite more downvotes, argumentation over the details, and flamewars. Any linking of these ideas would be interpreted by some to be an endorsement o…

I mean I suspect that the flu pangenome was evolving "meta-capabilities" to evade the way that our flu vaccines are selected by the authorities, you can see, vaguely, a declining efficacy of the flu vaccine in the last 5 years pre-pandemic (admittedly this could also be noise, or it could also be a measurement artefact due to better tracking). However, we'll probably never know since the flu patterns totally got rekt these past two years, which means any large-scale evolutionary trends, if they existed, probably, got the reset button pushed on them.

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What percentage of doctors are unvaccinated? Or is there atleast a number or some reporting on doctors getting fired for refusing vaccinations? >I would take a different position, like "what do these highly qualified health care workers understand that I don't?" Examples?

It’s literally the dumbest line of logic and my barely literate neighbor justifies his antivax status with the same theory. “What do the doctors who have declined the vaccine know that I don’t” Even though over 99% of practicing doctors and something like 99.9% of hospitalists are vaccinated, they hold up that 1/1,000 as some sort of “truthsayer”. If 999 experts in a field told you they trusted something and 1/1,000…

Doctors are just people, and like other people, a minority are idiots or feel they are invincible.

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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> the common cold didn't seem to be impacted by the severe lockdowns in the UK Really? Do you have a reference for that? It doesn't match the experience of myself and others that I know. Everyone I know was talking about how great it was that they hadn't had a cold for so long, during the lockdowns.

RSV (one of the main cold viruses) was suppressed in the US in 2020, yeah. It's back now. https://www.cdc.gov/surveillance/nrevss/rsv/natl-trend.html

Calling RSV a cold (especially if you’re a baby) is an understatement.

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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Too late to edit, but I'm getting mixed votes (which I usually don't pay much attention to), so I will explain: There's a few different frameworks people are working within. From my experience, linking or forwarding to any "outside the box" ideas in this sphere will only invite more downvotes, argumentation over the details, and flamewars. Any linking of these ideas would be interpreted by some to be an endorsement o…

I mean I suspect that the flu pangenome was evolving "meta-capabilities" to evade the way that our flu vaccines are selected by the authorities, you can see, vaguely, a declining efficacy of the flu vaccine in the last 5 years pre-pandemic (admittedly this could also be noise, or it could also be a measurement artefact due to better tracking). However, we'll probably never know since the flu patterns totally got rekt…

That's rather interesting, and I haven't heard anyone else talk about this. A bit frightening too.

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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Just like when any other issue arises that requires hospitalization.

The issues they're not able to deal with tend to be slow burners. You might get a week to plan an evacuation or supply drop for a cancer patient. But with Covid Pneumonia not so much.

So what would a mainland hospital be able to do what they can’t do? Using what supplies they can’t get in advance?
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