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Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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post #33

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Going back to normal and stopping the theater.

Define normal.

No mandates.

No vaccine passbooks or apps.

Return jobs to employees lost because of vaccine compliance/rebuild small businesses (If this is somehow possible but the damage is already done).

No mask requirements.

Covid-19 Vaccines are available and treated in the same way as flu vaccines once FDA approved.

Yknow, normal.

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

#52
post #22

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The problem is being 99.9% effective just isn't good enough. One person slips through and it's all over. It isn't realistically possible to keep covid out of areas.

What is good enough though? I always thought the whole prevention thing is because we want to “flatten the curve”, remember? Not to prevent every single infection, which is impossible.

China is still pursuing a zero case strategy and locking down huge sections of the country. Apologies for daily Mail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10349531/China-Covi...

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

#53
post #49

Viruses are interesting things. I once enjoyed a case study about an outbreak of common cold on an Antarctic base that only happened after 17 weeks of isolation: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2130424/ (I'm no virologist but given that the common cold didn't seem to be impacted by the severe lockdowns in the UK at all, whereas flu was, I've gotten the - uneducated - feeling the cold is a bit like some S…

> the common cold didn't seem to be impacted by the severe lockdowns in the UK Really? Do you have a reference for that? It doesn't match the experience of myself and others that I know. Everyone I know was talking about how great it was that they hadn't had a cold for so long, during the lockdowns.

Not exactly. The reference regarding flu is https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/flu-cases-covid-en... where apparently not a single case was detected in late 2020/early 2021, despite a period of time beforehand without lockdowns (roughly July through end of October). There are references in the media to colds being more prevalent throughout this entire same period though, but admittedly not during the lockdowns, as you say.

From this I made an uneducated extrapolation that the common cold pretty much stuck around somewhere and began to rapidly spread again as soon as people got out and about (I got one first week of schools going back in September, as per usual), whereas flu clearly did not.

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

#54
Its almost like canceling all of humanity although it accomplishes extremely little but a CYA for the politicians is not the best way to handle this.

Im sure when are fighting the 200th variant whose symptoms are a day of fatigue we will almost be ready to end the restrictions.

And just for the record, im 2x vaccinated, not an antivaxxer or denier or something.

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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post #49

Viruses are interesting things. I once enjoyed a case study about an outbreak of common cold on an Antarctic base that only happened after 17 weeks of isolation: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2130424/ (I'm no virologist but given that the common cold didn't seem to be impacted by the severe lockdowns in the UK at all, whereas flu was, I've gotten the - uneducated - feeling the cold is a bit like some S…

> the common cold didn't seem to be impacted by the severe lockdowns in the UK Really? Do you have a reference for that? It doesn't match the experience of myself and others that I know. Everyone I know was talking about how great it was that they hadn't had a cold for so long, during the lockdowns.

You're probably correct here.

Flu cases are tracked due to its severity. Cold cases are likely not often even paid attention to by many of those experiencing them.

Anecdotally, I and my friends and relatives hunkered down for COVID in 2020, and we had more cases turn out to be actually COVID-19 than common colds.

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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post #49

Viruses are interesting things. I once enjoyed a case study about an outbreak of common cold on an Antarctic base that only happened after 17 weeks of isolation: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2130424/ (I'm no virologist but given that the common cold didn't seem to be impacted by the severe lockdowns in the UK at all, whereas flu was, I've gotten the - uneducated - feeling the cold is a bit like some S…

> the common cold didn't seem to be impacted by the severe lockdowns in the UK Really? Do you have a reference for that? It doesn't match the experience of myself and others that I know. Everyone I know was talking about how great it was that they hadn't had a cold for so long, during the lockdowns.

I've heard some anecdotes about that but no hard data. This could just be confirmation bias rather than a real effect. People like to believe that their actions are having an effect, and they see imaginary patterns in randomness.

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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post #49

Viruses are interesting things. I once enjoyed a case study about an outbreak of common cold on an Antarctic base that only happened after 17 weeks of isolation: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2130424/ (I'm no virologist but given that the common cold didn't seem to be impacted by the severe lockdowns in the UK at all, whereas flu was, I've gotten the - uneducated - feeling the cold is a bit like some S…

> the common cold didn't seem to be impacted by the severe lockdowns in the UK Really? Do you have a reference for that? It doesn't match the experience of myself and others that I know. Everyone I know was talking about how great it was that they hadn't had a cold for so long, during the lockdowns.

RSV (one of the main cold viruses) was suppressed in the US in 2020, yeah. It's back now.

https://www.cdc.gov/surveillance/nrevss/rsv/natl-trend.html

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

#60
post #36

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Hospitalizations tend to precede fatalities. While I hope you're right, it's too early (by a couple weeks in the US, at least) to start trumpeting a "minuscule fatality rate". https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/current-covid-patients-ho...

Unless you’re elderly or have health issues, Covid fatality rate was already very, very low. Therapeutics make that even better.

That's complete nonsense. If covid wasn't as deadly as we have been reliably informed, then they would not be forcing us to go through these otherwise-draconian and insane mandates or lockdowns.
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