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Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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Post by belltaco »

claytongulick wrote: post #140
tandymodel100 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In all honesty I don't want people uneducated or conspiracy-minded enough to not take the vaccine treating me anyway even in a shortage situation.

You don't want people who have medical degrees and are experts in their field treating you? Because you have a better understanding of this than they do? That seems like a strange position to take. I would take a different position, like "what do these highly qualified health care workers understand that I don't?"

What percentage of doctors are unvaccinated? Or is there atleast a number or some reporting on doctors getting fired for refusing vaccinations?

>I would take a different position, like "what do these highly qualified health care workers understand that I don't?"

Examples?

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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Post by ThalesX »

roenxi wrote: post #124
zzzeek wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's 100% about hospital capacity and mass death. When hospitals around the country are no longer turning away cancer patients needing treatments and have plenty of ICUs for heart attacks and such, when they no longer have to rent fleets of refrigerator trucks every outbreak to store the bodies, the restrictions will end. It has always been about that and nothing more.

It has been nearly 2 years. Have they considered training a few people to handle respiratory diseases and bulking up the hospitals? Nursing is hard and takes years of training, but 2 years would have been long enough to teach people how to manage the average case of 1 disease. There have been a lot of people sitting around doing not much, they could probably use the work.

There is also the argument for encouraging people to lead a healthier lifestyle. Even though it’s political suicide to tell people that they need to get in shape, two years of a push from the government would have had enough time to make a great impact on overall population health.

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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Post by ipspam »

juskrey wrote: post #106
petercooper wrote: post #25

Viruses are interesting things. I once enjoyed a case study about an outbreak of common cold on an Antarctic base that only happened after 17 weeks of isolation: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2130424/ (I'm no virologist but given that the common cold didn't seem to be impacted by the severe lockdowns in the UK at all, whereas flu was, I've gotten the - uneducated - feeling the cold is a bit like some S…

After years of self-observations I have a petty theory that, in addition to outside infections, we always have a zoo of cold viruses inside, and different factors trigger them from time to time. I am quite surprised this is never discussed and mentioned by scientific community. BTW for some other viruses this is well documented and acknowledged, but with cold/flu/covid we seem to suffer worldwide scientific amnesia.

I have heard this before as well. Viruses and colds can live in the throat for weeks or months, people are constantly collecting them. When said person gets rundown, the immune system can't contain them, and they produce a cold or sickness.

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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Post by mikeyouse »

belltaco wrote: post #171
claytongulick wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't want people who have medical degrees and are experts in their field treating you? Because you have a better understanding of this than they do? That seems like a strange position to take. I would take a different position, like "what do these highly qualified health care workers understand that I don't?"

What percentage of doctors are unvaccinated? Or is there atleast a number or some reporting on doctors getting fired for refusing vaccinations? >I would take a different position, like "what do these highly qualified health care workers understand that I don't?" Examples?

It’s literally the dumbest line of logic and my barely literate neighbor justifies his antivax status with the same theory. “What do the doctors who have declined the vaccine know that I don’t”

Even though over 99% of practicing doctors and something like 99.9% of hospitalists are vaccinated, they hold up that 1/1,000 as some sort of “truthsayer”.

If 999 experts in a field told you they trusted something and 1/1,000 said they didn’t —- you’d have to be an absolute fool to blindly follow the 1 and I'm a bit surprised how common this argument is on HN.

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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Post by mikeyouse »

wrycoder wrote: post #103
HatchedLake721 wrote: post #91

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And who will staff them? https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/uk-lacks-nursing-staff-to-...

The ones you didn't force out because they didn't want to get vaccinated?

There are approximately 0 actual nurses capable of running critical care beds who are antivaxxers. It’s such a fringe position that’s given far more press coverage than it deserves. Blaming the hospital shortage on the hypothetical vaccine mandates chasing away capable staff is completely without evidence.

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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Post by CryptoPunk »

petercooper wrote: post #25

Viruses are interesting things. I once enjoyed a case study about an outbreak of common cold on an Antarctic base that only happened after 17 weeks of isolation: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2130424/ (I'm no virologist but given that the common cold didn't seem to be impacted by the severe lockdowns in the UK at all, whereas flu was, I've gotten the - uneducated - feeling the cold is a bit like some S…

The common cold is a set of viral infections caused by an assortment of viruses, that includes amongst them, four different coronaviruses.

If COVID-19 were to evolve to become milder, it could become a fifth coronavirus that causes the common cold.

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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Post by fineIllregister »

wrycoder wrote: post #103
HatchedLake721 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And who will staff them? https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/uk-lacks-nursing-staff-to-...

The ones you didn't force out because they didn't want to get vaccinated?

Every story of a health care provider firing unvaccinated staff has only had losses of less than 1%. That's not enough to make a significant difference.

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

claytongulick wrote: post #140
tandymodel100 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In all honesty I don't want people uneducated or conspiracy-minded enough to not take the vaccine treating me anyway even in a shortage situation.

You don't want people who have medical degrees and are experts in their field treating you? Because you have a better understanding of this than they do? That seems like a strange position to take. I would take a different position, like "what do these highly qualified health care workers understand that I don't?"

I would take a different position, like "what do these highly qualified health care workers understand that I don't?"

I’m all ears. On the face of it, getting vaccinated is a no brainer. I’d love to hear a medical reason for healthy individuals not to get vaccinated.

So far I’ve only heard arguments about vaccine mandates infringing on peoples rights, even though they never batted an eyelid at other vaccines. Why is this one a problem?

So far looking at the death rates, cases of severe illness, vaccination is the way to go. So I’d love to hear a compelling argument why you’d avoid it.

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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Post by vl »

lostlogin wrote: post #121
jdavis703 wrote: post #73

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In the US there are literally thousands of different public health agencies headed by health officers with strategies ranging from herd immunity by any means necessary to attempting COVID 0. Vague gripes about public health tag lines in such a fractured environment is unproductive.

Isn’t that in itself a big problem? You need a united strategy for public health initiatives to be effective.

You need correct strategy for public health initiative to be effective.
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