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Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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I think your car is completely flexible too? It can also leave and arrive anywhere you want. Cost may be a bit higher though. You’re liable to burn through 30ish liters of fuel at a price of around €50.

Prices for travelling by car should contain way more stuff than just gas. There's taxes, insurance, repair and all that nasty stuff that really makes very high costs per mile or kilometer if you do the math.

Though if one already have a car, then it might make sense to use it to get better value from tax and insurance

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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That and free education and dare we mention the topic - free health care. Then we don't need UBI.

Well, and free housing and food. Possibly clothes. And some modicum of entertainment. Then we don't need UBI.

Somewhat ironically free iPad with internet is probably cheapest part of all of this.

I like it but the more you think about the more disturbingly it sounds like communism :|

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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No one said it was. You asked how to prevent homeless people from sleeping on trains — the answer is to give them places to sleep.

no. it’s to enforce the rules on the train. there are some homeless that will refuse government provided housing no matter what.

That's just not true. The problem is that government housing is so terrible that sleeping on the street is preferable to some. Public housing in Austria is high quality, cheap and plentiful, with two-thirds of Viennese residents living in it. Coincidentally, homelessness is a non-issue in Austria compared to the US (based on my experience living in the Bay for 10 and in Austria for 20 years).

See this video for what government provided housing could be. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6DBKoWbtjE

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Everybody I know who has a Bahncard 100 uses it for commuting. While they generally live "close" to a train station they need public transport on both ends of the journey and buy additional tickets, e.g. another ~60€/month for a Berlin ticket.

Berlin A+B is included (one of the 130 cities). Or do they live outside, in zone C?

In Berlin only A is included as far as I know.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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This weekend I'll be travelling from Innsbruck to Vienna, a good chunk of the entire length of Austria. I'm not here enough (and not travelling around enough) to be interested in the Klimaticket, but here's how public transport vs car stacks up: Innsbruck to Vienna is 476km (~300mi) by road. It takes about 5 hours to drive, assuming no delays. The way the world is right now, there will certainly be delays. On the fas…

Here in the US, a shorter trip of NYC to Boston (~364km/226mi) is about 4.5 hours to drive or a little faster by train (faster train "acela" is 3h45m, regular is 4h20m). I'm assuming a "walk-up fare" is just day of, when you arrive at the station. That's generally not something we can do here as trains sell out, but for tomorrow tickets are $170 for the longer train, and between $140-$220 for the faster train (depend…

One aspect of train travel that is particularly interesting in Germany is that ticket prices do NOT include seating. That is to say, the fact that you bought a ticket does not imply that you can expect to sit during your ride. You have to buy a numbered seating reservation if you want to have a guaranteed seat, which is not necessarily offered for all lines.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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I still think it should be cheaper. The rail card thing is just a scheme to overcharge casual riders and tourists. It's reasonable for people who regularly go by train, but for people like me who do just one or two trips a year it feels like a rip-off. Especially if I want to take my kids, I need to get a different rail card for families, and when you add it all up it's a lot more expensive than taking my car. For so…

> The rail card thing is just a scheme to overcharge casual riders and tourists. It's reasonable for people who regularly go by train (...) At least for me, one return trip at the reduced rate pays for the price of buying the railcard (which is valid for 12 months). It's not like one has to sit down with Excel to figure out where the break-even point lies! If I don't make any additional rail journeys in Austria over…

If you do only one trip a year, then that trip costs 140€ (37 * 2 + 66)

If you do the trip 10 times a year then it costs 81€ per trip (37 * 2 + 66 / 10).

So in this case the occasional rider pays 59€ more per trip than the regular rider.

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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This weekend I'll be travelling from Innsbruck to Vienna, a good chunk of the entire length of Austria. I'm not here enough (and not travelling around enough) to be interested in the Klimaticket, but here's how public transport vs car stacks up: Innsbruck to Vienna is 476km (~300mi) by road. It takes about 5 hours to drive, assuming no delays. The way the world is right now, there will certainly be delays. On the fas…

Here in the US, a shorter trip of NYC to Boston (~364km/226mi) is about 4.5 hours to drive or a little faster by train (faster train "acela" is 3h45m, regular is 4h20m). I'm assuming a "walk-up fare" is just day of, when you arrive at the station. That's generally not something we can do here as trains sell out, but for tomorrow tickets are $170 for the longer train, and between $140-$220 for the faster train (depend…

A trip of 364km should not take 3h45 or 4.5 hrs. 2 hours should be expected on a route like that. The train would go at 185 km/h average speed. That is not even Japan or Chinese style high speed - just a well maintained railway infrastructure. With a 2 hour trip time you could get many people to switch...

Re: Klimaticket: All public transport in Austria with a single ticket for 1095 EUR/y

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Next stop: Just make public transport free for all reasonably permanent residents (for example, you could get a free ticket for next year when you file your taxes). Anyone who rides public transport instead of expensive and polluting cars is doing a service for the environment.

Just remembered another consideration. When Ken Livingstone introduced free transport for school age children in order to remove cars from the school run, it simply meant a load more children who would have traditionally walked or cycled didn't need to because the bus was free. Commuters were angry as anything that they couldn't get on the buses any more that were picked with children. Societies are very different ar…

The alternative: They get delivered by their parents in the fat SUV, congesting curbsides in front of schools.
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