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You really should try to travel and visit places out of your comfort zone to see how other people live, before dismissing their hardships.
You really should engage in good faith instead of combing through nearly all of my comments in this thread and shitting out drive by rhetorically fallacious comments.
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Disclaimer - english is not my first language Hey dang, I am curious. what could I have done better? if OP said he is suffering "solely" because of his colour and I think, its borderline impossible to pin point a result of large complex system on any one thing? P.S. - do people flag my comments or did you just see it on your own.
People in the GP's situation often encounter responses like "it's easy to pin point a problem on others" or other logical-sounding objections that come across as dismissive of the specific experiences that they're reporting. If you do that in the way you did it, complete with a Twitter link about how to become a 'high-agency' person, other people will interpret you as saying 'that's not happening' and 'you should jus…
> It's possible that you were misled by the word 'solely'
Yeah, I don't think I fully understand the premise.
> Do you see how that could come across as dismissive?
I can see that but it's really hard to convey something contrary to popular belief.
Let's say I want to say something like "it's easy to be a victim rather than to take action and make change" I truly believe that and I really think it will help people to take actions rather than just being stagnant. I don't want to be dismissive. How can I say it?
> better is to ask clarifying questions rather than making objections
I somewhat agree. But, it's hard to discuss without counter arguments.
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Oh the ctrl-left trope we are only fighting unconscious biases. Is fighting the unconscious biases like Don Quixote fighting the wind mills or more like repentance for the original sin your born with?
Do you disagree that society should be equitable regardless of race?
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It's only patronizing if it results in preferential treatment. But I think the experts who work on these programs have found that it is necessary to "over-correct" in order to override unconscious bias. Obviously, if it is coming across as patronizing, then you are doing it wrong. The point is to try to get to a happy medium. Like shooting for the stars in hopes of getting to the moon.
Exactly. Inevitably some of my co-workers brought up the "points" in this thread too, that it feels patronizing & unfair. I'm not suggesting anyone be patronizing. I'm simply saying you should be aware of the fact a co-worker might be feeling a certain way, and then notice & speak up if you see, for example, their idea(s) being misattributed to others. The idea that being an ally would be patronizing is comparable to…
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Do you disagree that society should be equitable regardless of race?
Yes I do. People should be treated equal regardless of race. All people should be individually judged and not infantilized or demonized because of their skin color. Everything else is deeply anti-humanist and leads to more suffering in pain down the road.
This isn't in opposition to what I'm saying.
> not infantilized or demonized because of their skin color.
Good, we don't disagree.
So, unless you're operating off some kind of strawman of what a good diversity and inclusion initiative does, I think we're on the same page.
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You really should engage in good faith instead of combing through nearly all of my comments in this thread and shitting out drive by rhetorically fallacious comments.
I'm not the one shitting on people whose life is a struggle but are the wrong skin color to get empathy from you.
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I'm frustrated that my comments promoting allyship are being downvoted to oblivion elsewhere in the thread. How can people be reading these experiences and not grasp the truth of this reality? I have people claiming that POC is a non-existent concept. It's madness.
It might simply be that "comments promoting allyship" are off-putting. They very easily become preachy, and if it feels like a third party inserting themselves and telling me what to think, I get irritated. The comments by the black programmers in this thread are a million times more interesting. Sometimes I feel like all the loudest voices in this debate are white and that just has to be wrong. I don't mean this to…
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I'm not the one shitting on people whose life is a struggle but are the wrong skin color to get empathy from you.
I'm the real racist because I say Black Lives Matter rather than All Lives Matter, right?
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> In my current Fortune 500 job, I was hired for my expertise then was moved to a new team where my expertise didn’t even matter. Every issue that came up that I had qualifications for I was passed over for a lesser skilled White man How many times do you think this happens to white people? It’s incredibly common. I keep a “to poach” list of developers who aren’t being given the respect, challenge, title, pay etc tha…
Ok, but what's your point in bringing that up here? Both statements can easily be true.
To foster solidarity amongst the working class.
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Do you know what school graduates more black cs graduates than any other. Georgia tech. How many major tech companies have serious hubs in Atlanta? Some of them, but certainly not all. People don’t like to move. A nontrivial amount of the pipeline problem can be addressed by opening offices in the southeast.
If the best talent or opportunity isn't in the southeast, then companies won't go there, so I think it's not as simple as "just open your office in the southeast". Companies are distributed closer to their relevant hubs. Like you said, people don't want to move, especially if it means taking loss in efficacy.