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“Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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Post by Simple_Guy »

kerng wrote: post #26

I totally agree with this! I built a game and naively added ads to it as it seemed a good way to monetize. The game started to be really liked, and had 300k+ downloads overall. Many kids started playing it also. Luckily I realized quickly that kids play on the devices of parents and so the ads they might see are at times super inappropriate! Then I removed all ads, I'd rather make less money but have people play and…

>this includes turning down jobs at Google and Facebook.

why didi you apply?

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Post by tb303 »

lawfulcactus wrote: post #118
ksec wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Luckily I realized quickly that kids play on the devices of parents and so the ads they might see are at times super inappropriate! That was exactly what happen to my kids yesterday. I don't mind ads, but when they are inappropriate for the 5 years old I get really pissed off. And I wish Apple Arcade could come sooner so they don't get distracted with Ads. It is the same reason I don't really allow them to watch You…

Well, there's Youtube Kids: https://www.youtube.com/kids/ And on iOS, you can use Guided Access to keep them in the app. Not sure about Android.

Yeah, there's youtube kids!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsagate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9EKV2nSU8w

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/youtube-for-kids-videos-prob...

2018 you say? surely they've fixed things by now?

nope

https://boingboing.net/2019/06/03/youtube-sexualizes-childre...

etc.

and that's why none of my kids' devices have youtube on them anymore

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Post by mikejones911 »

This is the trend towards a more algoithmically just world. What does this mean? Algorithms need not prevent a child from learning his or her own flaws. If a child can not learn his or her own flaws, then he or she has no way of developing into a individualized member of society. If an algorithm is always one step ahead of the child, per se, can the child ever self actualize?

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Post by tylerhou »

gryz wrote: post #211
renlo wrote: post #198

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The distraction aspect is what really gets to me; cancelled my NYTimes subscription after these bright red / orange advertisements loaded all over the page, where the content I was interested in was the bland black text over white background. Couldn't even read the headlines without naturally focusing on the bright red advertisements.

So, do they really have the same ads as you could see without subscription?

Yes, WSJ too

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Post by eecc »

TheCapn wrote: post #71
kerng wrote: post #26

I totally agree with this! I built a game and naively added ads to it as it seemed a good way to monetize. The game started to be really liked, and had 300k+ downloads overall. Many kids started playing it also. Luckily I realized quickly that kids play on the devices of parents and so the ads they might see are at times super inappropriate! Then I removed all ads, I'd rather make less money but have people play and…

Do you morally disagree with advertising/tracking monetization as a whole or just those particularly geared towards vulnerable populations? (children in your instance) I have my professional job developing software solutions for clients on a contractual base, but for a period after I graduated university I dabbled in mobile development and made the decision during that time that I'd never bloat my crappy apps with ad…

I don’t know, but the only kind of advertisement I consider morally sound is a properly indexed, well described parts catalog with good resolution photos.

Think Mouser, DigiKey, Architonic...

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Post by drivingmenuts »

cwkoss wrote: post #222
drivingmenuts wrote: post #125

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I think your optimism is misplaced. App developers would soon figure out how to charge 99 cents for a Skinner box.

I wonder if you could list multiple copies of an MMO game client on an app store, with each client having a different price and providing different in-game aesthetic effects like "FooGame: Sparkly Hat Edition". Could be an easy way to get around this limitation.

That already exists with the Basic, Advanced and Pro editions of some application software. Extending that paradigm to a game is just a matter of determining which expansion packs are preinstalled.

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Post by hoseja »

penagwin wrote: post #88
TheCapn wrote: post #71

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Do you morally disagree with advertising/tracking monetization as a whole or just those particularly geared towards vulnerable populations? (children in your instance) I have my professional job developing software solutions for clients on a contractual base, but for a period after I graduated university I dabbled in mobile development and made the decision during that time that I'd never bloat my crappy apps with ad…

I think he was worried about ads that were targeted at adults, but their game was targeted at kids. Similar to how Spotify with ads includes Trojan condom commercials, which makes Spotify-with-ads unusable in many situations

Which is a moral panic can of worms all on it's own.

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Post by hoseja »

mc32 wrote: post #183
soulofmischief wrote: post #177

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I get the feeling, but you must realize that preventing your children from using YouTube is like being the parent who prevented their children from watching television. You're teaching your children about censorship. It's easier, sure, but maybe it's worth the effort to have a mature conversation with them instead of wholesale preventing access to their generation's largest media platform.

How do you have a mature conversation with children who are unable to process (due to age) certain advanced concepts like marketing, advertising, monetization, irrelevancy, deception, exploitation, etc? I don’t think they’re talking adolescents but rather toddlers and young children.

Children are smarter than you think.

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Post by dang »

throwayEngineer wrote: post #157
scarface74 wrote: post #139

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Third party developers will send data to Apple? What’s Apple going to do with it?

Apple has their own apps. Do they collect data on children? Will they let some high profile devs slip by? Apple is known to be anti consumer.

Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to Hacker News? You've been doing it a lot, and it's not what this site is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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