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Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by BoredPositron »

krater23 wrote: post #234
Ranxer wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better yet: don't pick any poison at all -- both System76 and Tuxedo Computers (as examples, sometimes you can buy a latop without an OS and save the money, same goes for PCs) offer laptops with Linux installed: no Microslop tax, and hardware that's guaranteed to work with OSS.

Linux is just no good option. Linux has it's own issues that make them unusable for people that don't want to put time and effort in their OS itself. Current example: Slidly incompatible unix tools, still not 100% complete, but rewritten in rust.

No general user that is now using Windows would come in contact with the edge cases were the rewrites differ from the standard utilities.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by autoexec »

charcircuit wrote: post #162
Draiken wrote: post #85

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I don't think "care" is the right word here at all. We simply don't have options. This is capitalism's biggest flaw: it's based on the assumption that there will be competition, but competition eventually leads to winners that then consolidate their positions and we end up with no real choices. You're telling me people would pick a worse OS because they don't care even if they had real options? I don't believe that f…

If people truly cared then there would be a high enough expected value to invest into building competitor to be financially worth it.

Sometimes companies will make more money by refusing to give consumers what they want. Collusion is also extremely profitable. A competitor that isn't interested in playing along can be bought out, but once shareholders get involved they're going to insist on screwing over their customers just like everyone else does anyway because they'd be leaving a huge pile of cash on the table otherwise and short term profits are all shareholders care about.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by Scoring6931 »

throwa356262 wrote: post #125
Havoc wrote: post #48

Their office subscriptions are also going up in price at. Crazy rates. Giving Stiff competition to food price inflation All because it has some AI stuff on it that I don’t want.

Yes the price hike is almost 2x If anyone knows how to revert to non-AI version of the subscription let me know

It's called 365 Classic and it's hidden in the Subscriptions section of your Microsoft account.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by mapotofu »

cmicali wrote: post #251
ccppurcell wrote: post #152

I believe they are abusing their customers but I think it's in poor taste to compare this to domestic violence.

I agree and appreciate you calling this out. It’s easy to not understand the impact or meaning of referring to violence in a flip way when one has never had to have experienced it.

I also appreciate the callout but don’t believe it’s in bad taste. There are enough analogs, and it makes you question the type of people who run the companies and make the decisions. In MSFTs case, Bill Gates was an associate with a known pedophile and likely an abuser himself.

I completely understand it being triggering but shying away from it because of that protects perpetrators. A lot of executive circles are filled with abusive freaks and their decision making reflects that.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by twilo »

exceptione wrote: post #249
alexb_ wrote: post #120

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Most people want a computer that works with their software. No, "learn the FOSS version" is not a solution. Especially because nearly everyone has some niche thing they like, some 5% that isn't covered by the FOSS solutions, that only a niche Windows program can actually do correctly. And that doesn't even get into gaming.

Cool. Windows can't do 99% of the things I and anyone not grasping at straws can do with Linux. It is getting tiring, I don't say Linux is perfect, but KDE has been better than Windows for years, Linux doesn't bit rot like an average Windows install and Linux is in practice surprisingly more stable, but no-no-no, Linux can't be this time again. Quick... ehm "there is a piece of software that only works on Windows". H…

Linux is pretty awful at a lot of things …

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by kiicia »

Macha wrote: post #7

It’s quite common for companies to work their way up to the line of the most user hostile version of their product that users will tolerate. Especially with software where they can just go flip a switch and turn off whatever feature did cross the line but keep everything they gained by inching up to the line, which seems to inevitably result in things like the condition of windows 11. I think the only way this gets b…

Too late now. Multiple people having anything to say when choosing hardware and software, including me, will no longer advise or approve buying windows machine or using windows in general.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by noisy_boy »

pc86 wrote: post #198
happymellon wrote: post #185

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> No, "learn the FOSS version" is not a solution Hard disagree. Not that it has to be FOSS, but you have a product that is predatory towards you and you refuse to change your ways. Leaving an abusive relationship is hard, but sometimes you have to do it.

> you have a product that is predatory towards you and you refuse to change your ways. And honestly it seems like you refuse to learn even the smallest bit about human nature. Very, very few people want to "learn" how to use their computer. Walk into a room of 100 graphic designers who have spend the last 20 years using Photoshop exclusively and put GIMP in front of them and and at least 98 of them are going to say w…

I mean I kinda agree on what you are saying but then it logically follows that if you don't want to try out alternatives, don't want to push your government to enact better laws, don't want to spend time taking them to small claims court - basically don't want to do anything but suffer - then just suffer.

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Post by falcor84 »

bonoboTP wrote: post #207
randoadmin wrote: post #142

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Well, considering that you can run almost anything (excluding games and specialized graphics software) with 99.99999% guaranteed result via WinApps, I don't see what the issue is for a hypothetical member of the majority population. It's not 2016 anymore, you don't have to switch to LibreOffice if you need an office suite of apps. That obviously would be preferable, but if you're an avid Microsoft ecosystem user, jus…

What percentage of MS Office user can, in your estimation, complete the steps as described in this readme? https://github.com/winapps-org/winapps

I know it's a bit ironic given TFA's focus on shoving Copilot and Recall down users' throats, but I really do believe that an OS-level AI agent could solve these usability issues. We need to solve a lot of trust issues, but the capabilities are essentially already there for a non-technical user to tell a Samantha-like OS AI "please get this working", and it will.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by lizknope »

bluescrn wrote: post #201
lizknope wrote: post #169

I bought my first x86 PC in 1994 to install Linux on. I wanted a Sun workstation but couldn't afford it. I know people run an operating system to run programs on so it isn't easy to switch but so many windows users make it sound like they have Stockholm Syndrome. My advice as a Linux user of 32 years for normal people is to buy a Mac.

The Macbook Neo seems likely to be a a huge seller. It's got the price of entry down to where it's now the obvious recommendation for less-technical friends/family wanting an affordable-but-nice laptop for light home/office/student use. I suspect it's going to hurt iPad sales though, as a real Mac running MacOS is vastly more capable than any iPad.

> The Macbook Neo seems likely to be a a huge seller. I

It already is.

> MacBook Neo Just Broke an Apple Sales Record, Shipping Delays Continue

> The laptop is a record-breaking release for sales to first-time Mac owners, according to Tim Cook.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/macbook-neo-just-broke-an-apple-s...

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by awakeasleep »

baq wrote: post #22
Macha wrote: post #7

It’s quite common for companies to work their way up to the line of the most user hostile version of their product that users will tolerate. Especially with software where they can just go flip a switch and turn off whatever feature did cross the line but keep everything they gained by inching up to the line, which seems to inevitably result in things like the condition of windows 11. I think the only way this gets b…

> It’s quite common for companies to work their way up to the line of the most user hostile version of their product that users will tolerate. this is in general how the market for pretty much everything works (sometimes 'users' are replaced by 'the regulator', but it doesn't matter too much). lesson in there is 'majority of users don't care nearly as much as you think', usually.

If a regulator is effective at protecting the users, that regulator becomes a target for the industry
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