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Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by pjc50 »

Squeeeez wrote: post #141
daedrdev wrote: post #5

After several tourists were detained for weeks in terrible conditions, it’s little wonder why

Detention is already bad enough, but then reading something like this: https://bleedingcool.com/comics/british-comic-creator-r-e-bu... "While every item in her bag was swabbed and dismantled, she was subjected to a full body search. "I was in this very loud, weird, industrial space with pipes and conveyor belts and lights and sirens, being told to open my legs. I was silently crying, watching all my stuff being torn…

The thing is: this isn't entirely new, it's just something that happens very rarely to Westerners who don't alert sniffer dogs.

The "kids in cages" Southern border immigration detention ran through both the previous Trump administration and the Biden administration. Some pretty horrific stories from then, especially during COVID.

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Post by mikepurvis »

thesuitonym wrote: post #209
palata wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the President of the United States threatens to invade ex-allies, I don't think that the threatened people give a shit about what the American people think about it. The fact that this guy is the President means that most Americans were not against it, right? Of course most Americans don't want random people detained. But still, this is happening in the US. And one thing that I believe is absolutely clear outsid…

> The fact that this guy is the President means that most Americans were not against it, right? I don't know if that's strictly accurate. United States citizens are some of the most heavily disenfranchised in the western world. Our oligarchs have spent decades making it more difficult to vote, especially for people of color, who overwhelmingly disapprove of the current administration. In some urban areas, it can take…

And yet today's polling still shows a 43% approval rating for this president and administration:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-approval-rating-now-...

As a Canadian who normally travels to the US 3-4 times a year, that tells me everything I need to know about what "most Americans" think.

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Post by tgv »

TwoNineA wrote: post #142
aiisahik wrote: post #13

Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end. It's one thing to refuse entry to someone who doesn't have the right documents. The fear goes to a completely different level once people see tourists getting locked up. As someone who lived in the US for 22 years legally and most of my social and business…

> Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end. From my point of view, if POTUS blathers about annexing Canada, then the US doesn't deserve my tourist dollars, neither my Netflix subscription, neither my Amazon prime subscription. I've cut back on purchases/subscriptions from US companies as much as it…

It's not spite, or doesn't have to be. Non US-citizens have very few ways of exerting pressure on the current administration, but money happens one of them.

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Post by globnomulous »

razepan wrote: post #196
n4r9 wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's good to know, but presumably that happens every year so doesn't explain the year-on-year increase in March shown in the graph.

How about a dismantling of the USGOV and the spike is from former foreign service personnel returning home.

Maybe US business people are traveling to other countries to compensate for the resistance or refusal of international partners to travel to a fascist state.

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Post by drstewart »

dangrie158 wrote: post #224
drstewart wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Countries all over the world are issuing US travel warnings. Can you post the plain text of these "travel warnings"?

This is linked right in the article: https://www.axios.com/2025/03/23/allies-issue-usa-travel-gui... In it you’ll find several direct links to the official warnings

>The U.K. government's "foreign travel advice" page for the U.S. warns travelers to "comply with all entry, visa and other conditions of entry."

Oh my god it's like Nazi Germany!

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Post by nowandlater »

I feel like I'm spinning, hitting the spiral of the drain where civilization is to inevitably pass through, gone. The many who suffered and continue to suffer from iniquities of the human race carry the tonnage of likewise experiences, know a truth that is so impossible to know:

"It was useless to close one's eyes or turn one's back to it because it was all around, in every direction, all the way to the horizon. It was not possible for us nor did we want to become islands; the just among us, neither more nor less numerous than in any other human group, felt remorse, shame, and pain for the misdeeds that others and not they had committed, and in which they felt involved, because they sensed that what had happened around them and in their presence, and in them, was irrevocable. Never again could it be cleansed; it would prove that man, the human species - we, in short - had the potential to construct an infinite enormity of pain, and that pain is the only force created from nothing, without cost and without effort. It is enough not to see, not to listen, not to act."

- Primo Levi, The Drowned and the Saved

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Post by otikik »

davidmurdoch wrote: post #226
riehwvfbk wrote: post #152

It also happens to be ridiculously overpriced for what you get as a tourist, and in tough economic times satisfying one's curiosity about the US may not be as high on the list. But yes, there is also the political climate.

Do you think the US is a monoculture?

No, they said it is "ridiculously overpriced for what you get as a tourist".

Which now includes a possibility of getting detained while trying to enter.

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Post by coliveira »

potato3732842 wrote: post #34
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the news feeds within the US may be approximately equal in their delivery of "this is good change" versus "this is catastrophic change", whilst internationally it's almost entirely "this is catastrophic change" with minor pockets of intolerance apologia. I'd be interested in alternate viewpoints since I may be in a bleeding-heart, empathetic, progressive, consequence-considering news bubble. My reasoning is t…

>I think the news feeds within the US may be approximately equal in their delivery of "this is good change" versus "this is catastrophic change", whilst internationally it's almost entirely "this is catastrophic change" with minor pockets of intolerance apologia. Exactly. Americans generally don't understand the degree to which the rest of the world gets the CNN 5min recap of what's going on in the US, and it's very…

Feelings of Americans don't matter much in this equation. Most are delusional about what is happening in one way or another. People from other countries will not get even close to the US while there is a chance they will be jailed and sent to a lawless detention center for looking different.

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Post by tremon »

s_dev wrote: post #174
aiisahik wrote: post #13

Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end. It's one thing to refuse entry to someone who doesn't have the right documents. The fear goes to a completely different level once people see tourists getting locked up. As someone who lived in the US for 22 years legally and most of my social and business…

Ireland or at least Dublin Airport is unique in that it has 'US Preclearance' so when you land you simply pick up your bags at the carousel and leave the airport as you've passed US immigration based in Dublin Airport. This means if you're going to be denied entry it will probably be in Dublin which will make it a preferred airport of origin within the EU -- this is massively more convenient than getting stuck in JFK…

The most high-profile cases weren't about people/tourists being denied entry. They were about people being detained on their exit from the US.
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