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Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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> hope it will be get reined in before oops. they already have access to data, and there's no unseeing what they've seen.

They are also tweeting 'findings' to create a narrative. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1885964969335808217

It's weird seeing America going so hellbent against Wikileaks (Hillary jokingly saying "can't we just drone him") vs now where the top brass are live tweeting leaks

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People are throwing around the word "impoundment" lately. But it has a very specific meaning, and no impoundment has happened.

Virtually all of the spending through USAID was Congressionally authorized. Can you explain how blocking or delaying that spending fails to meet the definition of Impoundment? To say nothing the freezes that have been put on hold by the courts.

Impoundment is determined on the scope of a “program” for which appropriations have been made: https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title2/chap....

If you think there’s a violation of the impoundment act, you need to identify what the “program” is and why you think the administration won’t spend the whole program amount within the relevant time period.

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What Musk is describing is a deranged conspiracy theory, that "shadow left" doesn't exist except as a modern meme-driven equivalent to right-wing fears of communist infiltrators and Jews in academia. It turns out this generation's totenkopf is an AI generated shiba inu. And there isn't a "shadow right" either, but only because they're acting completely out in the open.

It’s in-group/out-group narrative. In order to claim to be the good guys you have to invent a bad guy. It’s a power/ego game played by people who are abusive. Both parties play it.

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I assume this is a prevalent mindset of a big chunk of Trump supporters. "I love it when half of my state government is at war with the remaining half, and I want the US government to be like that, so that it can't get anything done." Well, I guess that's better than being outright neo-Nazi ...

Yes that is essentially what I want but for the same reason I am not a trump supporter nor did I vote for Trump despite voting.

I see him as a somewhat useful tool of chaos but I'm under no illusion he is operating under anything but pursuit of personal gains.

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They will get a blanket pardon anyway. So in the end we will have to apologize to them.

> will get a blanket pardon Going into CMMS and IRS records almost certainly puts them in jeopardy of state crimes. Tight collections of only young, fervent ideologues have one role in military and political systems: cannon fodder.

Supremacy clause will likely protect them. Even fed lon horiuchi, charged with sniping an innocent woman with a child in her arms, was able to claim supremacy long enough the state case was too stale to win.

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From 2008 on

That's not very specific. Can you list some events/actions/behaviors/etc that you see as analogous to what's going on today?

What's going on today with doge is what exactly? They're accessing payment systems, as advertised openly in a democratic election. You want analogies of a scrutinizing funding and then viciously calling for its retraction? Because pretty much all colors and creeds have done that.

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What Musk is describing is a deranged conspiracy theory, that "shadow left" doesn't exist except as a modern meme-driven equivalent to right-wing fears of communist infiltrators and Jews in academia. It turns out this generation's totenkopf is an AI generated shiba inu. And there isn't a "shadow right" either, but only because they're acting completely out in the open.

It’s in-group/out-group narrative. In order to claim to be the good guys you have to invent a bad guy. It’s a power/ego game played by people who are abusive. Both parties play it.

The "bad guy" invented by the right isn't real. The "bad guy" of the left is real. There is no "radical-left shadow government" but there is clearly a radical-right shadow government forming and acting as we watch.

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People are throwing around the word "impoundment" lately. But it has a very specific meaning, and no impoundment has happened.

Judge John McConnell disagrees with you. His decision placing a hold on the spending freeze cites the Impoundment Control Act as part of his finding that the lawsuit is likely to succeed on the merits.

That decision applies to a very specific item: congressional appropriated federal support to states. Which is probably the strongest case for an impoundment argument.

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Has the government's right to mow down civilians with helicopter-mounted machine guns been tested in the Supreme Court lately? That's where there absolutely is room for debate. This argument can apply to literally anything.

It is different though. There are law journal articles debating whether the Impoundment Control Act is constitutional. And that isn’t a new thing, here’s one from 1990: https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/... There’s a big difference between a law for which there have been longstanding serious scholarly objections to its constitutionality, and a law whose constitutionality has never been quest…

Really? Because SCOTUS actually ruled the President very well might be immune from any criminal repercussions from mowing down civilians from a helicopter-mounted machine gun.

Seems like there’s at least “a debate” to be had.

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That's not very specific. Can you list some events/actions/behaviors/etc that you see as analogous to what's going on today?

What's going on today with doge is what exactly? They're accessing payment systems, as advertised openly in a democratic election. You want analogies of a scrutinizing funding and then viciously calling for its retraction? Because pretty much all colors and creeds have done that.

Going line by line through payments to look for things that look politically affiliated with the opposing side’s viewpoints with the stated goal of ending those payments?

Please show me an analog.

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