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Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by CooCooCaCha »

timr wrote: post #174
CooCooCaCha wrote: post #152

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I'm not saying you're wrong but you could use this reductive rhetorical strategy to dismiss any AI algorithm. "It's just X" is frankly shallow criticism.

And you can dismiss any argument with your response. "Your argument is just a reductive rhetorical strategy."

Sure if you ignore context.

"a probabilistic syllable generator is not intelligence, it does not understand us, it cannot reason" is a strong statement and I highly doubt it's backed by any sort of substance other than "feelz".

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

_se wrote: post #111
hiddencost wrote: post #96

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$10M doesn't go as far as you'd think in the Bay Area or NYC.

$10M is never work again money literally anywhere in the world. Don't kid yourself. Buy a $3.5M house outright and then collect $250k per year risk free after taxes. You're doing whatever you want and still saving money.

The problem is if you are the type of person able to get to $10M, you'll probably want more, since the motivation that got you there in the first place will keep you unsatisfied with anything less. You'll constantly crave for more in terms of magnitudes.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by phatfish »

zooq_ai wrote: post #157
orionsbelt wrote: post #12

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Maybe she thinks the _world_ is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI, not just limited to OpenAI, and she wants to compete and do her own thing (and easily raise $1B like Ilya).

I can't imagine investor pouring money on her. She has zero credibility both hardcore STEM like Ilya or a visionary like Jobs/Musk

"Credibility" has nothing to do with how much money rich people are willing to give you.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by KoftaBob »

zooq_ai wrote: post #157
orionsbelt wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe she thinks the _world_ is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI, not just limited to OpenAI, and she wants to compete and do her own thing (and easily raise $1B like Ilya).

I can't imagine investor pouring money on her. She has zero credibility both hardcore STEM like Ilya or a visionary like Jobs/Musk

She was the CTO, how does she not have STEM credibility?

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by CooCooCaCha »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #161
CooCooCaCha wrote: post #152

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I'm not saying you're wrong but you could use this reductive rhetorical strategy to dismiss any AI algorithm. "It's just X" is frankly shallow criticism.

And there's nothing wrong about that: the fact that _artificial intelligence_ will never lead to general intelligence isn't exactly a hot take.

That's both a very general and very bold claim. I don't think it's unreasonable to say that's too strong of a claim given how we don't know what is possible yet and there's frankly no good reason to completely dismiss the idea of artificial general intelligence.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by magxnta »

mckirk wrote: post #240
fjdjshsh wrote: post #233

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Is that your test suite?

To be fair, that question is one of the suggested questions that OpenAI shows themselves in the UI, for the o1-preview model. (Together with 'Is a hot dog a sandwich?', which I confess I will have to ask it now.)

If you have a sandwich and cut it in half, do you have one or two sandwiches?

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by bottlepalm »

z7 wrote: post #42
jsheard wrote: post #24

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> It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" Altmans quote was that "it's possible that we will have superintelligence in a few thousand days", which sounds a lot more optimistic on the surface than it actually is. A few thousand days could be interpreted as 10 years or more, and by adding the "possibly" qualifier he didn't even really commit to that predicti…

>Altmans quote was that AGI "could be just a few thousand days away" which sounds a lot more optimistic on the surface than it actually is. I think he was referring to ASI, not AGI.

Given that ChatGPT is already smarter and faster than humans in many different metrics. Once the other metrics catch up with humans it will still be better than humans in the existing metrics. Therefore there will be no AGI, only ASI.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by selimthegrim »

nojvek wrote: post #207

Prediction: OpenAI will implode by 2030 and become a smaller shell of current as they run out of money by spending too much. Prediction 2: Russia will implode by 2035, by also spending too much money.

Where is the magic lamp that summons thriftwy who will tell us which countries or companies Russia/OpenAI will absorb

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by cedws »

FactKnower69 wrote: post #183
jjulius wrote: post #173

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Because, for some weird reason, our culture has collectively decided that, even if most of us are capable of reading between the lines to understand what's really being said or is happening, it's often wrong and bad to be honest and transparent, and we should put the most positive spin possible on it. It's everywhere, especially in professional and political environments.

McKinsey MBA brain rot seeping into all levels of culture

That's giving too much credit to McKinsey. I'd argue it's systemic brainrot. Never admit mistakes, never express yourself, never be honest. Just make up as much bullshit as possible on the fly, say whatever you have to pacify people. Even just say bullshit 24/7.

Not to dunk on Mira Murati, because this note is pretty cookie cutter, but it exemplifies this perfectly. It says nothing about her motivations for resigning. It bends over backwards to kiss the asses of the people she's leaving behind. It could ultimately be condensed into two words: "I've resigned."

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