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Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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The author of this has been on a crusade against Apple for years, stemming from an incident that was probably hypochondria. They've outright lied about multiple incidents (see https://twitter.com/shantinix/status/1433297575914971136 ), and I would very strongly doubt any new claims made. For example, a spot check of one of the claims has them currently saying "Still, Gjovik’s limited testing returned results showing…

"The Author"? Was this once a different link? The current link seems to be a report by the EPA.

This was originally a comment on https://www.ashleygjovik.com/3250scott.html via https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40773136

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Your slander doesn't mesh with the EPA report.

Please make your substantive points without swipes. If someone else is wrong, the thing to do is either (1) respond with correct information and better arguments; or (2) let go and move on. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

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Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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> YMMV but some people are crazy. The EPA is however not. But what the EPA say and what the woman claims are disparate. To complicate it further, this woman did in fact live on top of an industrially-zone area which had industrial contamination on site. The apartments are very new (finished construction in ~2019) and they had to agree to a ton of cleanup to get permits to build. There are so many confounding factors…

I'm honestly surprised the area is zoned for residential; the central expressway corridor has lots of industry nearby, including Intel. Plus that apt complex is right next the intersection of a major highway and major expressway, which won't be helping anyone breathe. But she's not the only resident and I haven't heard any indication of a class action.

It’s not zoned for residential. This one apartment building got an exemption.

I’m sure the area being so desperate for housing is part of why this was allowed. Adding 1800 housing units is a huge deal in a city that size.

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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EPA isn't the only governing body. It says right in their report the facility is being properly managed by the city of Santa Clara and the state of California. Also, they weren't doing chip fab there. It was R&D for Titan and MicroLED. There's a reason she's litigating her case against Apple pro se and without any expert witnesses and other lawyers. She's a basket case who went from almost fainting one time to now sa…

> I was on the bottom floor and 0000000000 VOCs. If the source of the chemicals was actually the emissions from the other facility and not the soil below the building, you would expect none in the lower floors where you were and more on the higher floors where this person was.

That's because in 2020 she said it was vapor intrusion from the Superfund the apartments were built on.

None of the rest of us got sick, including the people who worked in that building and the one next to it (we have 2).

I'm not an environmental policy enforcer or scientist, but I can read from this report that the issue was mislabeled/unlabeled containers and haz waste treatment w/o EPA-required permit. None of that is going to make 1 single person in the entire area sick.

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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The problem is that the EPA report doesn't say what she says it does. 1. Apple doesn't do chip fab at Scott Blvd. They did R&D for Titan and microLED screens and were part of the layoffs in April. 2. The EPA says that they didn't have permits WITH THE EPA, but were permitted with California and Santa Clara County/City. 3. She says the carbon filters weren't changed, not the EPA. 4. She says Apple said materials weren…

Why are you so keen to whitewash potential mishandling of dangerous chemicals and poisoning of the public? You do not appear to have any more understanding of the situation that a layman. Your points to do not sound convincing and do not engage with the issue at all. > How is it this woman was nearly killed, while the employees who WORK in the building are perfectly healthy This is quite ignorant of how this actually…

the EPA actually does monitor the area's residents because they we on Superfund site

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

#266

From the thread TLDR; EPA discovered that Apple was: - illegally treating hazardous waste - illegally transporting hazardous waste to disposal facilities - illegally dumping hazardous waste into the ambient air outside the facility (into the apartment windows) - leaving stockpiles of extremely dangerous chemicals unattended on weekends

this is all editorialized, none of that is in the report

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

#267

Is there any backing to this that doesn’t originate from a very disgruntled former employee?

Agreed, also, if anyone has ever dealt with regualtors before things like: > at least 19 potential violations Is about 00.00% noteworthy to me until it is defined as to what those are, and I guarantee that none of them will be “poisoned employees living quarters”. Same with the repeating “illegal” over and over. Not having the right sticker on something might be illegal (EDIT: good guess? More like I know this game,…

> EDIT: read some of the report. Apple marked a bucket as waste, the EPA could not determine if it was state, federal, or even waste at all. HOW LONG WILL THESE BASTARDS KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS!!?

THIS BEHAVIOR GOT A WOMAN ALMOST KILLED

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

#268

Issues surrounding the author's personality aside (that have been raised enough in other threads, and quite a few of them in a tone I'd say borders on unethical): in Germany, we have strict zoning rules for heavy industry - some particularly bad polluters have up to 1500m of required distance to residential use [1], even if the area they're planning on operating in is already zoned industrial. Wonder how Apple got ap…

It's because it is not a chip fab. They make device screens there.

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Context: https://mastodon.social/@ashleygjovik/112668309100333232

Even better context: https://www.ashleygjovik.com/3250scott.html

Much better unbiased journalistic context: https://www.siliconvalley.com/2018/03/19/apple-secretly-deve...

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

#270

As a chemist who has actually done micro fabrication work, this reads to me like a classic case of a non-chemistry company trying to do chemistry R&D and finding out it’s a lot more complicated to follow all the rules than they thought it would be. Robust chemical safety systems (both equipment, procedures, and employees) are expensive to implement and maintain, and they don’t scale downward easily. Companies doing s…

They don't do chip fabrication there, they make device screens: https://www.siliconvalley.com/2018/03/19/apple-secretly-deve...
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