Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset • Hacker News Board

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by mynameisvlad » Fri, Jun 09, 2023, 4:53 AM UTC

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #252

mynameisvlad wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it’s pretty clear that it’s available on all major VR platforms including PlayStation. They made it clear when they bought it that it will not become exclusive. > Beat Games will continue to ship content and updates for Beat Saber across all currently supported platforms, now with even more support from Facebook. https://www.meta.com/blog/quest/welcoming-beat-games-to-face... I guess it’s easier to just guess a…

It was supported on PlayStation before Meta bought them, and they promised to continue supporting it on PlayStation. But that promise probably doesn’t include new platforms from other players.

The question asked was whether it’s a meta exclusive. The answer is unequivocally no.

Will it be released on Apple Vision? Maybe.

But that was not the question asked and incorrectly answered by multiple people, yourself included.

FWIW, I don’t think it will be, but not because of exclusivity. Haptics is indeed a big part of what makes it fun and Apple has made it clear that there won’t be controllers, at least at launch.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 » Fri, Jun 09, 2023, 4:53 AM UTC

baby wrote: post #250

kumarvvr wrote: post #244

" By contrast, every demo that they showed was a person sitting on a couch by themself." Wait, I thought an Oculus does the same thing too. Its a blindfold on your face, and it doesnt matter if they are alone or in a crowd. Mark has got to be terrified. The power of Apple is the tight and efficient integration of hardware and software. Regarding battery power, I woukd not rule out versions that stream the video and o…

Why should they be in panic? They already iterated on 3 headsets, they definitely have the advantage (weren't people complaining that they spent too much $$ in VR? Now they should be terrified?)

FB does not appear to be attracting young people. Apple appears to be a magnet for them. FWIW, Apple does PR and presentations a lot better ( I honestly can't remember FB VR rollout, but I was interested in Apple's toy ).

If FB is not worried, their CEO may not be doing his job.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by throw9away6 » Fri, Jun 09, 2023, 4:54 AM UTC

smoldesu wrote: post #103

juve1996 wrote: post #91

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I highly doubt Meta can match Apple's tech now and in the future. The hard part is the hardware. Apple is way ahead here.

The hard part is the low end - and Meta has 20 million devices sold there. If the hardware is an obstacle to reaching market fit, I'm pretty confident Meta could get there. It's mostly a matter of scaling up what they already have.

If you can get the high end to work well you can get the volume to make low end good enough. The 3k unit is probably the minimum viable product with todays tech but if it takes off in 2-3 generations we will get 1k headsets with equal or better features due to volume

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by kumarvvr » Fri, Jun 09, 2023, 4:54 AM UTC

baby wrote: post #250

kumarvvr wrote: post #244

" By contrast, every demo that they showed was a person sitting on a couch by themself." Wait, I thought an Oculus does the same thing too. Its a blindfold on your face, and it doesnt matter if they are alone or in a crowd. Mark has got to be terrified. The power of Apple is the tight and efficient integration of hardware and software. Regarding battery power, I woukd not rule out versions that stream the video and o…

Why should they be in panic? They already iterated on 3 headsets, they definitely have the advantage (weren't people complaining that they spent too much $$ in VR? Now they should be terrified?)

Thats what I am saying. They had 3 iterations, yet, are technologically behind Apple.

I mean, just pure technology wise, the screens, number of sensors, processing power itself is mind boggling.

I am sure that all their hadware decisions regarding oculus were constrained by the compute hardware. Apple has the moat of world class custom silicon that means, the constraints on its designers are far less.

And we are seeing just the first gen device.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by myrandomcomment » Fri, Jun 09, 2023, 4:54 AM UTC

Sounds like Blackberry talking about the first iPhone and we all know how that turned out. The $3500 for V1 will be $600 by V3.

This is worth the read.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/06/hands-on-with-apple-...

Here is the most important comment from the story.

--- When you actually put on the headset, though, you'll often find that the promotional video was pure aspiration and reality still has some catching up to do. That was my experience with HoloLens, and it has been that way with consumer AR devices like Nreal, too. That was not my experience with Vision Pro. To be clear, it wasn’t perfect. But it’s the first time I’ve tried an AR demo and thought, “Yep, what they showed in the promo video was pretty much how it really works.” ---

We all watched the demo and thought "wow, but this is the marketing video so lets see the reality."

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by Hamuko » Fri, Jun 09, 2023, 4:54 AM UTC

throwaway2990 wrote: post #222

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Zuck mentioned that activity and "doing things" are Meta advantages, but people don't want to exercise while gaming or consuming entertainment. A lot of people actually do. There is a whole community built around it.

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Sounds like the age-old home gym equipment tale. I imagine there are more stationary bikes being used as clothes rack than as exercise equipment.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by seydor » Fri, Jun 09, 2023, 4:54 AM UTC

Gigachad wrote: post #87

asjfka wrote: post #47

Apple Vision will fail. It doesn't matter if it's a good product or not. Fact is, wearing it makes you look like a dork. This is why it will fail. Segway made you look like a dork too and it failed. Then the hoverboard got out and you looked cool while using it and it is successful. There is a future for Apple Vision's tech, but this is not the product that will sell. People will buy a product that makes them look co…

It's an Apple product, and one that everyone knows is super expensive. It'll end up like the Airpods max, weird looking, but still a status symbol.

Yes. I can see people in coffee shops wearing the apple ski goggles , but not Quest. In particular because it's very expensive and signals wealth. Like how many people buy a Tesla, even though VR goggles are less useful overall

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by throw9away6 » Fri, Jun 09, 2023, 4:55 AM UTC

baby wrote: post #260

ctvo wrote: post #25

This sounded weak to me. Apple is making an integrated headset: their own lenses, processor, ..., down to the operating system. The Quest uses an Android based operating system and a lot of off the shelf components. We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. A personal device like these headsets needs to be delightful . It has to be responsive. It has to have the little to…

> The Quest uses an Android based operating system and a lot of off the shelf components. > We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. market share of android vs iOS in 2023: > Android 71.63 > iOS 27.71

Yeah but unit sold doesn’t matter much when apples units sell for 700 and android ones for 150

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by baby » Fri, Jun 09, 2023, 4:55 AM UTC

germinalphrase wrote: post #242

anonzzzies wrote: post #14

Keep bickering ya’ll ; it’s all better for us people who want to get work done. Apple made it more serious and even shows they actually support some of the Vision of Zuck. Let all big corps come in and compete for whatever their vision is. I just want holodeck hardware and software with weeklong battery life. This is getting is closer. One of the things that the Apple announcement will do; because it supports all iOS…

So I’ll finally be able to play Civ as a tabletop game?

I played Catan in VR, AMA

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by juunpp » Fri, Jun 09, 2023, 4:55 AM UTC

kumarvvr wrote: post #244

" By contrast, every demo that they showed was a person sitting on a couch by themself." Wait, I thought an Oculus does the same thing too. Its a blindfold on your face, and it doesnt matter if they are alone or in a crowd. Mark has got to be terrified. The power of Apple is the tight and efficient integration of hardware and software. Regarding battery power, I woukd not rule out versions that stream the video and o…

The $3500 price tag and closed ecosystem is self-sabotaging, so MZ doesn't need to be worried at all. Carmack's vision was a cheap device that could hit mass market, and that's where the real game still is. Also, games.