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Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by vore »

miniwark wrote: post #250

The "business reasons" by Google are probably completely fake, but we have some pointers from OP who give us the real reason : - OP is russian - OP was working at Yandex (who had an history of "strange" relationships with the russian government) - in December 2022 Vladimir Poutine take over the russian subsidiaries of Yandex (through Alexeï Koudrine) -> more "strange" relationships - OP received an official offer in…

This is way too conspiratorial thinking and it’s more than likely Google did exactly what they said instead. Are Americans who work at large corporations with government contracts also all likely CIA agents to you?

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by 93po »

vikingerik wrote: post #258
93po wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also jobs often/usually fire people with 0 day notice and no severance. I don't know why it's an expectation that employees would give notice without any reciprocation.

0 day notice and no severance is unusual, at least for skilled professional jobs in the US. It does happen, but usually only for some unusual circumstance, like some kind of employee misbehavior or a sudden financial calamity for the company. Two weeks notice by the employee or severance by the employer is the most common case on both sides, probably for roughly 80% or so of professional jobs including all of my own.…

i have worked full-time at 6 different companies in engineering and management roles (admittedly none larger than ~300-500 people) and this wasn't the case for anyone at any of them, and have also never heard anecdotes from people in my life in general about this happening to them.

i don't not-believe you, but I would be super surprised if the 80% figure is accurate

the more common thing i've seen time and again is someone giving two week notice and then being told to not bother with the last two weeks (and not getting paid for it either). after one of my employers did this to a coworker i liked who was relying on that final paycheck for rent, i quit a couple months later with 0 notice "because it seems like you guys don't do 2 week notice here". I got threatened with a baseless lawsuit for that cheeky stunt and they abused DMCA claims on my consulting website to try to get it taken down

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by uptownfunk »

Treat yourself like your own mega Corp. Don’t give notice until you’ve already basically started at your new job (nowadays easier than ever), passed your background check. You don’t owe anyone anything, you have to look out for yourself, just like mega Corp is looking out for themselves. You can still be polite about it, but put yourself first always. Even if you sign and are employed at a Corp for one day and you find something better, never think twice about taking the better opportunity. Remember you are labor being exploited to provide the mega Corp with their multiples

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by ghaff »

irrational wrote: post #246
AlwaysRock wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then you give -10 days notice. 2 weeks is a nicety and not legally required in the USA. Probably not required in many other places as well. It's unfortunate but I've never had a manager get too upset about it.

At my company, there is no 2 weeks. The day you give your two weeks notice is your last day. We might pay you for those two weeks, depending on circumstances, but your building and network access is cut off within the hour. So, I personally would not give my notice until the day I actually want to be my last day.

That has never been the case at any company I have ever worked for. My impression is that two weeks notice with continued access is pretty standard so long as you're leaving on good terms.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by moralestapia »

bojo wrote: post #48

I've had a similar story happen in the past. I was living in Japan looking for remote jobs and came across Couchbase. Interviewed well with the team who all seemed excited to get someone with my experience on board, however, the hiring manager said he wasn't sure he wanted to manage someone in my timezone. He pulled me into a separate call at the end of the rounds and asked some weird questions, which in hindsight we…

After 15+ years on the industry and being on all sides of the table (hiring, firing, being hired, being fired, interviewing, prospecting candidates, etc...) I haven't found a situation where HR makes things better. What's the point of HR? Can't we do without them? Really.

Edit: This tweet[0] which is pretty much a rant in disguise has a point. What if AI has a much better success rate on this? Recruiters are clueless wrt. to tech anyway.

0: https://twitter.com/adcock_brett/status/1645450069326598145

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by noelherrick »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #7

There’s no great solution to this apart from the economy and company doing well so that this doesnt happen. I’ll lay out the reasons below: 1. Let’s say we pass a law that prevents offers from being revoked. This will make hiring much harder and increase 5 rounds to like 10 and involve many more committees and even then most candidates other than sureshots getting rejected. 2. Ban revoking offers only for overseas em…

Google is profitable. They are not losing money, and they are in no danger of becoming unprofitable because of payroll. If we lived in world where folks measured things in a normal light, Google would not have frozen hiring, rescinded offers, and laid-off thousands. We live in the upside down world. We have to stop accepting the crazy, upside-down values of the modern world. The world would be better if Google just wanted to be an awesome search engine that made money by being great, instead of trying to grow quarter after quarter (unsustainable in the long run).

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by tyingq »

bink wrote: post #229
zinclozenge wrote: post #139

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I will one up you, I don't put in notice until I'm 1-2 weeks into my new job. Don't really have any justification except for paranoia, which is only getting more validated from other anecdotes in this thread.

That seems just as risky as quitting the old job, if not moreso. One of the few things employers will confirm on a background check is employment status and period. If the new employer runs the check late and finds out you'll lose both jobs and burn two bridges.

I think they are pretty used to stale information due the batch nature of these things. That is, employment status showing "current" probably wouldn't raise any eyebrows.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by technothrasher »

vore wrote: post #261
miniwark wrote: post #250

The "business reasons" by Google are probably completely fake, but we have some pointers from OP who give us the real reason : - OP is russian - OP was working at Yandex (who had an history of "strange" relationships with the russian government) - in December 2022 Vladimir Poutine take over the russian subsidiaries of Yandex (through Alexeï Koudrine) -> more "strange" relationships - OP received an official offer in…

This is way too conspiratorial thinking and it’s more than likely Google did exactly what they said instead. Are Americans who work at large corporations with government contracts also all likely CIA agents to you?

I have no way of knowing why Google rescinded this guys job offer. But they did, in fact, halt at least briefly some Russian hiring in April 2022 because of the war.

https://www.businessinsider.com/google-reinstates-job-offers...

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by Sholmesy »

chippiewill wrote: post #225
jrochkind1 wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like OP had a signed employment contract. > Thus, the contract with me has been terminated 10 days before it was supposed to take effect. Apparently a contract that allowed no-cause termination. I'm not sure what that contract is good for exactly, but I think this is common in the USA. Whether it's legal in the UK I couldn't say.

In the UK you don't get the typical employment rights until after 2 years of employment. Most employment contracts have you on zero-notice until 6 month probation is completed.

This is misinformation. Maybe you've had this situation/contract, but that is very much not the norm.
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