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Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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> The only difference here is that they were able to build an app to do all the tracking in plain sight. I'm sure governments in the US and Europe would love to be able to force all visitors to install a similar app. Yet, we do not because unlike in Qatar, the UAE and other religious dictatorships, we are a democracy and we have the ability to change our government. You can do better than whatbouatism.

There is no political party in the US that is against the rigorous collection of private information of people entering the country. Biometric data, social media account disclosure, excessive questioning by the TSA. You literally have no option to change any of this.

> You literally have no option to change any of this.

I'm guessing you only figuratively mean literally. You have the option of starting your own party that does care about privacy (and then voting for yourself), and you have the option of "contributing to the election campaigns of" (i.e. bribing) politicians who will then vote for legislation you want.

More practically, you can campaign within an existing party (presumably the Democrats) for them to support electoral reform (e.g. RCV or Approval Voting, at least for state elections) so that new parties can emerge, and so that the existing parties become more reflective of the actual wishes of voters.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Every country should have rights to control what enters their borders. Be it phones or people. Nothing unreasonable here considering the existing standards of border control around the world. Just next logical step to prevent terrorism and undesirable activities. Don't like it, don't go.

You’re gonna get downvoted but I don’t think you’re altogether wrong. If the World Cup gets hit by extremists, Qatar’s reputation will be hit harder than anything else. Who now blames anyone but Germany and its incompetence for Black September’s actions in the 1972 Munich Olympics?

I have never heard anyone blame the 1972 Munich Olympics terrorist attack on the Federal Republic of Germany's lack of authoritarian state surveillance powers, their lack of motivation to keep track of the exact location of every foreign person in the country, nor on the fact that they did not require every single visitor to surrender the contents of all their personal documents for potential state scanning.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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All the news about slavery and bad treatment of workers to build the infrastructures and silencing or minimizing by western press and now this. No surprise when you organize a thing like the Football World Cup in a dictatorship like Qatar in exchange for money this is you can expect. Just let's hope it does not get used as a backdoor by other with even worse intentions.

Just to emphasize your point, we're talking about a death toll of 6k+ people to build these stadiums. What a stain on fifa, football and worldwide respect for human rights to say the least. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/feb/23/r...

> what a stain on fifa

Their collar is so stained already, you’d be hard pressed to find a tiny peck of dignity there…

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Do not worry, the WEF and UN will be diligently taking notes of this field test and by the time it's rolled out in your country this will be resolved. I cannot wait to have a social credit score! It is a wonderful idea and I am only disappointed that our wise un-elected WEF and UN leaders are being so shy in rolling it out.

No kidding. If we miraculously pull out of this nose dive before climate change erases us all we’re immediately going to be tossed into a world where AI makes us basically zoo animals for the ultra wealthy.

> a world where AI makes us basically zoo animals for the ultra wealthy.

... for about 3 years, before one of the ultra wealthy elites presses the wrong button and the AI ends up putting them in the zoo (or paperclip raw materials hopper) too.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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> Since Electronic Arts righteously dumped FIFA like a ton of rotten bricks It wasn't righteous, it was over money (FIFA asking for too much). > why don't they organise a football world cup instead Because FIFA is the organising body of football, all regional (UEFA, CONCACAF, etc.) and country Football Associations are under FIFA's jurisdiction (and are members of FIFA). Countries couldn't participate in a rival even…

Does FIFA own a copyright on the word "football"? no Does shipping 20 players from 50 poorer countries cost a lot? no does FIFA even owns a copyright on the words "Football World Cup"?

Do all clubs people want to watch have contracts with FIFA? Yes

Do all the manufacturers of sports clothing, shoes, balls, goal posts, etc. have deals with FIFA? Yes

Does FIFA use bribes and any means necessary to prevent anyone from disturbing their racket schemes? Yes

Don’t forget you’re dealing with a lot of very powerful and dangerous people here that make really big money, are deeply intertwined with governments, and have a history of doing anything it takes to earn more money. You’re not going to cut them out of the deal, that simply won’t happen.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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post #104

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Do not worry, the WEF and UN will be diligently taking notes of this field test and by the time it's rolled out in your country this will be resolved. I cannot wait to have a social credit score! It is a wonderful idea and I am only disappointed that our wise un-elected WEF and UN leaders are being so shy in rolling it out.

Can we go back to FEMA death camps? This is just tiresome at this point.

Tiresome? You don't think the WEF goal of "I Own Nothing, Have No Privacy And Life Has Never Been Better"[0] needs more awareness?

[0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/2016/11/10/s...

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Bribes, some of which came out and are currently under investigation/prosecution. Other reasons why it's a terrible idea: they have a small population, little football culture (in terms of absolute size), no infrastructure (all the stadia are newly built and some will be demolished afterwards; there aren't enough hotels); they have many laws incompatible with what usually happens at World Cups. There literally isn't…

Qatar has a pretty good airport with an extremely convenient location (more than 80% of the world population live within a 6 hour flight)

That makes it a great airport hub, but it doesn't have the infrastructure to host, feed, transport, place in a stadium the hundreds of thousands of fans that want to watch a World Cup.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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post #216

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EA could very well setup "The EA Football World Cup" and invite the world's football associations to participate in it, with substantial prize money as a reward. But even if the countries could participate (they couldn't, unless they sent their Under 21s or other development/reserve players, see my other comment) and even if they did participate (many wouldn't) the tournament would be seen as an inferior knock-off an…

How do you know this? A size 140 Arsenal jersey wearer I know would beg to differ, the Quatar catastrophe being clear for any age to understand. How do you think it would be inferior? The rules of football would be respected, and also it would match EA's official console football game!

If your Arsenal-supporting friend sincerely believes that a rival World Cup would go anywhere at all, then they're a little bit naive and don't really understand the game. Qatar could end up being (more of) a catastrophe, and heads may roll at FIFA but the FIFA World Cup isn't getting replaced any time soon.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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post #265

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Does FIFA own a copyright on the word "football"? no Does shipping 20 players from 50 poorer countries cost a lot? no does FIFA even owns a copyright on the words "Football World Cup"?

Do all clubs people want to watch have contracts with FIFA? Yes Do all the manufacturers of sports clothing, shoes, balls, goal posts, etc. have deals with FIFA? Yes Does FIFA use bribes and any means necessary to prevent anyone from disturbing their racket schemes? Yes Don’t forget you’re dealing with a lot of very powerful and dangerous people here that make really big money, are deeply intertwined with governments…

What clubs have contracts with FIFA?

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Since Electronic Arts righteously dumped FIFA like a ton of rotten bricks, why don't they organise a football world cup instead? Less corruption money must mean more leftover for the players and staff involved. Also instead of some nebulous process for the host country selection, get game owners to vote, they're already very securely identified. The time to ride on the complete stink the air conditioned slave-labour…

Football is too traditional to play EA Cup it already sounds like a McDonald's league.

Yeah the "EA Cup" sounds like the name they'd use in a non-licensed football game to avoid being sued
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