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It is certainly unsettling how laws will blindly introduce a dependency on Google or Apple
This is the aspect of Qatari law that stands out to you as unsettling?
Qatar is our friend. Qatar is a democracy.
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Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm
#102Wouldn't an easy work-around be to get a cheap new Android phone? I assume you only have to install the apps on one device, if you take two; otherwise, just take the new one. I doubt that the expense would be an issue for somebody attending the World Cup. It seems like this would be good practice these days for any international travel.
At some point few years ago it became practically impossible to do any business in China from the outside without what's app (no idea why as allegedly its banned there). This is around the some time samsung had their "My Knox" feature on their S8 or S9 phone. This feature was like an isolated container for apps, an android equivalent of VM. The purpose was to place your banking and other critical apps there and the normal android system wouldn't be able to access it.
However I found a much better use case is to keep your phone's os secure by putting all dodgy apps in "my knox". This way I could've had what's app and give it access to all my 1 contact I prepared for it etc.
These days I don't know if they still have "my knox" feature on the flagship models as, I decided to get a different phone.
However for going to an autocratic country I would just buy a burner phone (or not go there in the first place).
Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm
#103Every country should have rights to control what enters their borders. Be it phones or people. Nothing unreasonable here considering the existing standards of border control around the world. Just next logical step to prevent terrorism and undesirable activities. Don't like it, don't go.
> Don't like it, don't go. I am not going, but I guess players do not have this choice?
I don't think they are forced either. At least from most countries. It is actually pretty competed job.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
The great news is that just like you're not forced to buy an Android or iOS device, you're not forced to travel to Qatar. "Vote with your feet" applies to jurisdictions just like it applies to technologies. Of course, like with technologies, making such a choice has the potential to limit you in other ways.
Do not worry, the WEF and UN will be diligently taking notes of this field test and by the time it's rolled out in your country this will be resolved. I cannot wait to have a social credit score! It is a wonderful idea and I am only disappointed that our wise un-elected WEF and UN leaders are being so shy in rolling it out.
Can we go back to FEMA death camps? This is just tiresome at this point.
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
My point was that in countries that make private, consensual activities against the law there are much more severe consequences possible for events that compromise your privacy.
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A more likely scenario which mirrors how discriminatory laws work elsewhere:
1. Get arrested for a minor offence like speeding.
2. Law enforcement checks your app and infers you are gay (maybe wedding photos of you and your spouse?)
3. It was going to be just a fine, but now you are facing prosecution for the much more serious offence of being gay.
4. Law enforcement officer can make the charges disappear for the right fee, or maybe just decides to go ahead with the much more serious prosecution.
5. Let’s hope you’re not gay and Muslim, because you’re then facing the death penalty too.
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
He's right about the whataboutism though.
he is right, but raising whataboutism isn't an argument. It's absolutely valid to point out immoral doings of the very people who are doing the accusations. Otherwise, it's a race to make the accusations and the first one wins - everyone else is whataboutism. You can easily see who came up with the inane whatboutism - the one who did a whole lot of crimes in the past, and wants to judge others now for similar crimes.
Yep.
It's an inversion so that you're the bad guy for taking a look at the ledger you both (implicitly or explicitly) agreed to use.
Variations of:
"Hey can I get back that $50 I lent you? I always pay you back and thought we had a mutual understanding, what gives?"
"Nice whataboutism, quit trying to make it about me."
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#107This was the same situation for the UEFA Women’s Euros in England this year. For those wondering, the app was simply for storing, transferring, and displaying your tickets. A ticket being a QR code for you to scan at the stadium turnstiles. Was the app required? Absolutely not, there was nothing specific that the mobile app could do that a simple website couldn’t (apart from the screen brightness jumping to 100% when…
It's not the same thing. There are two apps, not one - one is for ticketing, the other is supposedly for "COVID".
Second: the UK government does not have a death penalty for being LGBTQ (or blasphemy.) It's been decades since any form of official corporeal punishment happened in the UK, whereas in Qatar it's probably been weeks, at best.
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#108Well it's a little late, isn't it.
You still have nothing to hide ?
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the aspect of Qatari law that stands out to you as unsettling?
Qatar is our friend. Qatar is a democracy.
N…not quite. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Qatar
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#110I really would like to know how Qatar got the World Cup… it can’t have been legitimate, it’s just got so many obvious disadvantages… For example, it’s too hot to host it in summer as usual, so it’s in the northern hemisphere winter, which interrupts all the leagues.