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Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by wpietri »

jatone wrote: post #232
KronisLV wrote: post #97

Huh, just the other day i was talking about how JetBrains products succeed in being some of the best IDEs around, but fail at the use case of just wanting to edit text files, where Notepad++, Visual Studio Code, Emacs, Sublime and vim could all be preferable to it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29362960 And then JetBrains come out with this... That's certainly pleasant to see!

thats funny I've always found jetbrains IDE to be error ridden annoyances where I end up spending more time dealing with problems the IDE has caused than developing software.

I think that's not the typical experience. I've certainly gotten occasional errors, but for me it's been a solid and reliable set of tools over the years. I started using it for Java, and have since used their Ruby, Python, and webdev versions happily for many thousands of hours.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by rovr138 »

y4mi wrote: post #247
kittiepryde wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless they're only paying for a single product ( vs the all products pack? )

no, thats was why i wrote two numbers each; completely spelled out: private person: 150€ intellij only, 250 € all products corporation: 500 € intellij only, 650€ all products https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/#commercial

They never said IntelliJ. Pycharm is $199 USD for the first year for a corporation.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by gh02t »

major505 wrote: post #195
LeonM wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used Jetbrains products for a long time, both as a student, and later professionally. Jetbrains products are free for students, and paid for professional use. In my opinion, the pricing of the product is spot on. My company pays about ~200 euro per seat per year, which is a good price for the quality tooling you get. In my experience, VSCode is not competitive with Jetbrains products. Their products come with su…

If yout think about it, Jetbrains is more a counter part to Visual Studio then VSCode. Vscode was more a advanced text editor to compete with atom. But I don`t see it losing it`s grip of the market anytime soon. Theres lot of tools that use vscode as base, that will be difficult for them to convert, like platformio IDE for example.

Platformio does already have a quite good plugin for CLion.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by rovr138 »

y4mi wrote: post #244
LeonM wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used Jetbrains products for a long time, both as a student, and later professionally. Jetbrains products are free for students, and paid for professional use. In my opinion, the pricing of the product is spot on. My company pays about ~200 euro per seat per year, which is a good price for the quality tooling you get. In my experience, VSCode is not competitive with Jetbrains products. Their products come with su…

> Jetbrains products are free for students, and paid for professional use. In my opinion, the pricing of the product is spot on. My company pays about ~200 euro per seat per year, which is a good price for the quality tooling you get. well, they're in violation of the licence if thats true. The 150€/250€ licence is for private people, companies have to pay 500€/650€. /edit: i guess non of the people that are respondi…

They said Jetbrains, not IntelliJ.

There are other products that are $199 USD for the first year.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by Jtsummers »

WildGreenLeave wrote: post #257
y4mi wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Jetbrains products are free for students, and paid for professional use. In my opinion, the pricing of the product is spot on. My company pays about ~200 euro per seat per year, which is a good price for the quality tooling you get. well, they're in violation of the licence if thats true. The 150€/250€ licence is for private people, companies have to pay 500€/650€. /edit: i guess non of the people that are respondi…

As far as I know you are allowed to use the individual license commercially [0], it is just that you cannot reimburse it from a company. I wonder where the line is and if you are allowed to use the individual license as a freelancer. [0]: https://www.jetbrains.com/store/comparison.html#LicenseCompa...

https://sales.jetbrains.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207240855-Can-...

You can use it for commercial projects. The intent, though, is that only you can use that license of the product. So with my Jetbrains purchase I can work on personal projects at home, or (if corporate IT allows it, apparently they do here) install it on my office computer and work on corporate projects. But I cannot install it on a laptop at the office and walk away, letting others use that license.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by pauleveritt »

quanticle wrote: post #158
albertzeyer wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last time I compared the Python support in VSCode to PyCharm, the difference was still very huge when it came to more complex situations, where PyCharm usually handled the situation much better. And also the speed. PyCharm was by far much faster (I mean specifically the code parsing, auto completion, etc).

Hard disagree on speed. PyCharm, in my experience, has better support for refactoring and jump-to-definition/declaration, but it comes at a huge cost in speed. PyCharm will quite happily lock up, even on a high-end Macbook Pro, as it reindexes everything, just because you had the temerity to add a package to requirements.txt. VSCode chugs right along, staying responsive, picking up the new code in the background.

Hi, I'm with JetBrains. Can you describe the "lock up"? Indexing in general is background.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by rovr138 »

WildGreenLeave wrote: post #257
y4mi wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Jetbrains products are free for students, and paid for professional use. In my opinion, the pricing of the product is spot on. My company pays about ~200 euro per seat per year, which is a good price for the quality tooling you get. well, they're in violation of the licence if thats true. The 150€/250€ licence is for private people, companies have to pay 500€/650€. /edit: i guess non of the people that are respondi…

As far as I know you are allowed to use the individual license commercially [0], it is just that you cannot reimburse it from a company. I wonder where the line is and if you are allowed to use the individual license as a freelancer. [0]: https://www.jetbrains.com/store/comparison.html#LicenseCompa...

>I wonder where the line is and if you are allowed to use the individual license as a freelancer.

You are.

> Purpose of use: General commercial

It just can't be reimbursed.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by 999900000999 »

nlitened wrote: post #253
999900000999 wrote: post #219

My issue has never been the actual cost of JBs products, but rather I have to go and justify myself to a manager to get a license. That's something which of course is not a factor when you're using open source stuff, but maybe I'll still buy this for my personal use. Vs code was supposed to be a lighter weight visual studio, but at this point it's hell bent on becoming just as bloated.

I suppose something like: “Hey pal, you pay me 400k a year. How about we spend 200 bucks a year to make me 10% more productive?”

It depends on your company.

Many places will spend 500$ to decline a 200$ expense.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by wpietri »

agilob wrote: post #74
tdrdt wrote: post #64

To me it sounds like this is used to test a rewrite of all their IDEs because it is written from scratch. I can imagine if this becomes a succes they will update all their IDEs or use Fleet as the new platform.

Over year ago JetBrains released a post showing they don't understand why VSCode eats their market: > Still, we don’t deny the information could be a bit skewed – even with the weighting we give to our survey results – given that this is from the JetBrains State of Developer Ecosystem survey, and one of JetBrains main products is IntelliJ IDEA. However, that is not to say that this is not totally unreasonable, as if…

> People moved from IntelliJ to VSC because it was faster, simpler and language-agnostic,

Did many people move from IntelliJ to VSC? From what I've seen, VSC is mainly used by people who previously haven't used a full IDE.

It's also not clear to me that they're "a jumping on a simple-editor train". Given that with one click you can turn on "fully functional IDE bringing smart completion, refactorings, navigation, debugging, and everything else that you’re used to having in an IDE" I don't think it's actually simple. It's just a quick-to-open IDE where the user in in control of when to pay the extra startup cost for the fancier features.

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