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Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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I keep seeing discussions on a full IDE vs an editor like VSCode. People are claiming VSCode is poor with autocompletions and other features only a full IDE can accomplish. I use Pycharm, Webstorm, and VSCode and I don’t see the huge difference. Is it more apparent on certain languages? They stated in their blog https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2020/09/a-picture-of-java-in... > In the web space it is understandable to…

Yes it is much more apparent with typed languages (and starts to show with typed Python as well).

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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I tend to agree. It's a bit like the dynamic vs. static typing situation. New comers often prefer languages like Python at first for their simplicity, only to "rediscover" that static typing is so much more manageable later in their career.

My career has been the opposite. I grew up on C, C++, then Java. Now I'm on dynamically typed languages and appreciate their advantages and prefer them.

I also grew up on C then Java. Now I mostly work with Python but when things get serious I usually turn to JVM languages.

The feeling knowing I can relentlessly refactor my code without breaking a thing and not having to worry about typos is just wonderful!

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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The UI is probably written with compose https://github.com/JetBrains/compose-jb

I believe so as well. Compose is very similar to Electron. Jetbrains Toolbox (which uses compose) uses 500mb memory which is on par with what Electron would use for such a simple app.

I really hope that's not the case - at least the browser has an excuse of being a scripting platform, a 3D and 2D rendering and layout engine, a video streaming platform, a database, a server and who knows what rolled into one - that Toolbox thing hopefully has less than 5% of that in its codebase.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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post #137

There’s a real opportunity here for JB. If they’re prepared to give this away for free, and make money off of upselling folk on hosted remote dev envs (or licensing the server side to cloud providers) then this could actually compete with vscode. They basically don’t have any other product that is competitive with vscode. …but, I’m skeptical they’re willing to make the jump to freemium based on their other SAS produc…

I've used Jetbrains products for a long time, both as a student, and later professionally. Jetbrains products are free for students, and paid for professional use. In my opinion, the pricing of the product is spot on. My company pays about ~200 euro per seat per year, which is a good price for the quality tooling you get. In my experience, VSCode is not competitive with Jetbrains products. Their products come with su…

> Jetbrains products are free for students, and paid for professional use. In my opinion, the pricing of the product is spot on. My company pays about ~200 euro per seat per year, which is a good price for the quality tooling you get.

well, they're in violation of the licence if thats true. The 150€/250€ licence is for private people, companies have to pay 500€/650€.

/edit: i guess non of the people that are responding to me can read. he specifically said that the company is paying for that and the price of non-intellij licences don't overlap with 200€ on any tier I can see.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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post #244
post #137

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I've used Jetbrains products for a long time, both as a student, and later professionally. Jetbrains products are free for students, and paid for professional use. In my opinion, the pricing of the product is spot on. My company pays about ~200 euro per seat per year, which is a good price for the quality tooling you get. In my experience, VSCode is not competitive with Jetbrains products. Their products come with su…

> Jetbrains products are free for students, and paid for professional use. In my opinion, the pricing of the product is spot on. My company pays about ~200 euro per seat per year, which is a good price for the quality tooling you get. well, they're in violation of the licence if thats true. The 150€/250€ licence is for private people, companies have to pay 500€/650€. /edit: i guess non of the people that are respondi…

Unless they're only paying for a single product ( vs the all products pack? )

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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post #244

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> Jetbrains products are free for students, and paid for professional use. In my opinion, the pricing of the product is spot on. My company pays about ~200 euro per seat per year, which is a good price for the quality tooling you get. well, they're in violation of the licence if thats true. The 150€/250€ licence is for private people, companies have to pay 500€/650€. /edit: i guess non of the people that are respondi…

Unless they're only paying for a single product ( vs the all products pack? )

no, thats was why i wrote two numbers each; completely spelled out:

  private person: 150€ intellij only, 250 € all products
  corporation: 500 € intellij only, 650€ all products 
https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/#commercial

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Space Fleet The goal is not to replace VSCode (hardly any money in there) or Intellij but to fill a gap in the Space offering. Space is IMHO JetBrain's main strategic initiative for the next 10 years (and very promising).

What do you mean by space?

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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> People moved from IntelliJ to VSC because it was faster, simpler and language-agnostic, instead JetBrains blamed users for not using advanced features like CPU profiling which most people don't use daily. They are jumping on simple-editor train now. Better late than never From my experience, most people who nowadays start programming, flock to vscode because it's free, used in most tutorials and then they simply do…

I switched from a JetBrains IDE to VS Code for one reason: I don't want to build a C++ codebase on my laptop. It requires a lot of processing power, takes a long time, kills the battery, and makes the fan go off. I'm willing to use VS Code Remote and sacrifice some features to not have to deal with that. My employer doesn't really care if I provision a big EC2 instance for development. I'll take a look at Fleet a lit…

Jetbrains now has a remote agent, works decently.
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