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Want people to do the right thing? Save them the guilt trip

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Re: Want people to do the right thing? Save them the guilt trip

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To quote a song, I'm not going to spend my life being a color.

But will you spend your life trying to be completely unaware of your color? Such is a possibility only afforded white folks.

I don't believe that is accurate. Homogeneous societies afford their citizens that opportunity, e.g. Japanese.

Re: Want people to do the right thing? Save them the guilt trip

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post #184

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Guilt tripping people into not killing is evil? Your thesis doesn’t hold much water.

Neither does taking their statements to the most extreme and absurd.

Actually, you seem unaware as to how logic works.

Re: Want people to do the right thing? Save them the guilt trip

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> You don't pretend to know better What if one really knows better though, eg talking about life at a place where you've been, but the other person never was there and is just guessing? I'm thinking a problem then can be the bystanders / co-workers: now they're going to think 5 is a fairly ok answer, when you didn't very clearly disagree about that? Especially if the other person sounds self confident. Any thoughts a…

> Any thoughts about how to strongly disagree, in a polite way, when the other person is crazily wrong in a slightly harmful way? If the other person is actually trying to misinform, it'll be hard. If they're really genuine, I think doing the above gives the bystanders enough info to choose for themselves. Like, you still should disclose the information you have, so say you have been there, and that it wasn't at all…

Maybe instead of "yes, and.. " one can day something like "interesting to hear. That's actually very different from how things were when ..."

> if they hear you out and consider what you're saying openly

Yes I agree

Re: Want people to do the right thing? Save them the guilt trip

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And I must say, though this thought is controversial. If you are a white man born in America, feeling guilt is what you’re supposed to feel, as a human being. Not personal guilt, as few even living today are directly responsible for the systems that came before. But guilt from being born into privilege in a society built entirely to benefit you, from the net worth of your parents, to the quiet mono-racial neighborhoo…

what kind of twisted stuff is this? what could I do to not be born to well off parents? nothing lol people who carry this pointless guilts should see a shrink maybe. they might suffer from something

It is what intersectionality and "social justice" is continuously trying to teach in the US school system these days.

Re: Want people to do the right thing? Save them the guilt trip

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post #43

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> Church and religion, I would say mostly works on positivity. Depends on the religion, I guess. I was raised Catholic, and a lot of it was about making people fell guilty about their sins and telling them if they keep doing bad things and don't repent, they'll spend an eternity in hell. Not exactly positive, IMO. Sure, there was always mention of how if you're a good, Christ-believing person, you'll get eternal rewa…

I think these Catholic ads are a positive way to try and get people to come back to the Catholic church, I'm sure you can find negative ads though. https://www.catholicscomehome.org/our-evangomercials/ There's a lot of complexity going on Getting them to start doing something. To keep them doing something. Competing with alternative ideas as they run negative campaigns. I totally think guilt works, I just can't worko…

I'm not sure panicked propaganda that's there to plead with lapsed Catholics to return to the fold is particularly representative of doctrine. It's advertising, so by its very nature is designed to be manipulative.

And using guilt to keep people in a belief system is just psychological manipulation. It doesn't matter if it works; it's disgusting and dishonest, the opposite of what these people laughably claim to believe in.

> people are good as long as you make it easy for them to be good.

It's not all that hard to press four buttons on a phone, wait a few seconds, and say some simple words about what happened and where. But no, that would distract from making a "cool" crash video to share on Instagram.

I get that my story is a third-hand story to you, and you have no idea who I am, so you have no idea if I'm relating it faithfully (or if I even know enough to relate it faithfully). But I know who I am, and I know the person who told me this story (and, after calling 911, took and sent a photo of the useless gawkers), and it greatly troubles me.

Re: Want people to do the right thing? Save them the guilt trip

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post #43

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> Church and religion, I would say mostly works on positivity. Depends on the religion, I guess. I was raised Catholic, and a lot of it was about making people fell guilty about their sins and telling them if they keep doing bad things and don't repent, they'll spend an eternity in hell. Not exactly positive, IMO. Sure, there was always mention of how if you're a good, Christ-believing person, you'll get eternal rewa…

Yes, my association with the catholic church ist also mostly about guilt and fear. Scaring people to make them do the right thing. In general the church was the dark symbol of fear. Have you ever been to the vatican? The same in big. Everything there is big, with the intention of making you small and fear them. At least that was my impression. Other people I was with had different experience The catholic religion in…

> Have you ever been to the vatican? The same in big. Everything there is big, with the intention of making you small and fear them.

Yup. Religious architecture is generally designed to make humans feel insignificant and powerless. Which is true, in the universal scheme of things, if you think about it. But religions use this as a carefully curated tool of propaganda, manipulation, and control.

Re: Want people to do the right thing? Save them the guilt trip

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> It's because your governor adopted a stupid policy The 'Premier' of Victoria, was one of the first to move, and the policies in place were holding up. Mismanagement of the mandatory hotel quarantine system caused an outbreak just days after restrictions were being lifted across the country. Using under-trained security guards was a mis-step, but for the outbreak to happen at this crucial moment was more a failure i…

I'm going to take it that the downvote was from the poster I was replying to. Without animosity, would you care to share what your disagreement is? I'm always willing to correct my beliefs, admit to any errors. A down-vote on its own does not provide me with any new information though.

You (well, at least I) can't actually down vote immediate replies to your own comments.

I wonder what our leadership would make of the book "Turn the ship around". I'm not sure how they'd go about defining responsibility - it seems to be all about passing the buck and CMA.

Re: Want people to do the right thing? Save them the guilt trip

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I'm going to take it that the downvote was from the poster I was replying to. Without animosity, would you care to share what your disagreement is? I'm always willing to correct my beliefs, admit to any errors. A down-vote on its own does not provide me with any new information though.

You (well, at least I) can't actually down vote immediate replies to your own comments. I wonder what our leadership would make of the book "Turn the ship around". I'm not sure how they'd go about defining responsibility - it seems to be all about passing the buck and CMA.

> You (well, at least I) can't actually down vote immediate replies to your own comments.

Yeah good point. Was just unusual that that comment was downvoted (twice?) long after the submission had left the front page, but not the adjacent one where I say basically the same thing. Seemed targeted.

> I wonder what our leadership would make of the book "Turn the ship around". I'm not sure how they'd go about defining responsibility - it seems to be all about passing the buck and CMA.

Not aware of the book, but leaders of democracies are as accountable as much as their citizenry makes them.

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