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Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by varjag »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #253
mb_72 wrote: post #242

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Curious as the way I see it it's very often China who is the 'initiator', eg internment of Muslims, stealing of territory in South China sea, debt-trap diplomacy, and so forth. Presuming that you are aware of these occurrences, do you agree with your government's positions and actions, and - if not - what actions, if any, do you take to make it clear your opposition? The Chinese government is, IMO, massively over sen…

why do you think Trump likes to talk about China? He's more likely to talk about camps in China than he is about the homeless in Los Angeles. One is a problem completely out of his control, another is one he could easily mitigate. You wonder why that is?

Trump never brings up human rights issues in China (or elsewhere), so your point is moot.

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Post by isostatic »

m00dy wrote: post #246
mschuster91 wrote: post #219

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> Are you in USA? No, Germany, which also faces massive problems with Chinese buy-outs and industrial spionage. > Should other countries refuse to employ USA citizens because of actions of the government - things like pulling out of Syria to enable the Turkish murder of the Kurds to continue. I would wish so, but I'm realistic enough to know no government wants to put themselves into the spotlight of Trump's Twitter…

I think Turks have the right to defend their borders

By invading another country? I guess that's what the U.S. tends to do.

I believe people have a right to self determination. Borders are just lines on a map. I know America doesn't believe that, and that's a valid viewpoint too, just one I disagree with.

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by pinkfoot »

mmjaa wrote: post #249
LIV2 wrote: post #212

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Ah okay, yeah I think I'll get citizenship somewhere else

At this point I think its the only thing Australians can do about their country. Australians will never be afforded an opportunity to overthrow their government, nor will we get the revolutions our demonstrations hope for.

You have obviously never lived through a civil war.

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by Quarrelsome »

varjag wrote: post #261
Quarrelsome wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why do you think Trump likes to talk about China? He's more likely to talk about camps in China than he is about the homeless in Los Angeles. One is a problem completely out of his control, another is one he could easily mitigate. You wonder why that is?

Trump never brings up human rights issues in China (or elsewhere), so your point is moot.

My point is that people like to talk smack about stuff elsewhere they can't change to detract people from injustices they CAN impact. Its the same with China, what better way to avoid awkward conversations about Taiwan, Hong Kong or the Uighurs than talk about how "unfair" the West is being?

As a Westerner, while its important to understand about the nasty side of China is somewhat pointless to endlessly focus on it because its not a problem we have the capacity to solve.

There are issues that we can obtain Chinese buy-in on like climate-change (we all live on this planet) so we should focus on things like this where we can work together so we can forge better ties instead of focusing on what we don't like about each other. Lets not do evil-empire all over again.

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Post by EastToWest »

mb_72 wrote: post #242
blaesus wrote: post #225

I am Chinese living in China. Nationalism is on the rise lately in China, not just for domestic reasons, but also as an reaction to nationalistic moves from "the West" like this one. It's a recurring theme, not just in governmental propaganda, but also in daily conversations, that "the West" would talk about fairness and justice then commit blatant discrimination and double standards. As a founder of a tech company b…

Curious as the way I see it it's very often China who is the 'initiator', eg internment of Muslims, stealing of territory in South China sea, debt-trap diplomacy, and so forth. Presuming that you are aware of these occurrences, do you agree with your government's positions and actions, and - if not - what actions, if any, do you take to make it clear your opposition? The Chinese government is, IMO, massively over sen…

How do you expect a Chinese to respond to this kind of "Have you stopped beating your wife" questions?

Whether some of the view points are valid in the first place (at least the second or third one) is deeply contested to Chinese. If you're just parroting Western media view points without showing at least some understanding of Chinese view points, you will likely not get any genuine answers.

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Post by teknologist »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #92
big_chungus wrote: post #90

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Well, technically it is discrimination, but not racism. I.e. you can still hire a Japanese developer, and with a Chinese regime change you might be able to hire Chinese developers. However, federal law prohibits discrimination based on national origin. This is a touchy subject, but maybe this no longer makes sense? As burfrog pointed out, a Chinese employee living in America isn't free from Chinese control; the gov't…

It doesn’t matter. As long as a security clearance isn’t required, discriminating based on notational origin is a big no no from an ethical perspective, even if it was legal. I hope we learned our lesson during WW2.

Have you ever been to China? Such discrimination happens left, right and center. If you’re of an “acceptable” origin and have the right skin color, you might be ok...

Re: Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by novaRom »

Today they have requested GitLab to enforce employment policy and GitLab started to implement it.

Tomorrow they will ask GitLab to inject backdoors and GitLab will implement that as well?

It is probably happening in other US tech companies at this time affecting those who want to get lucrative DoD and government contracts.

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