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Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by sliken »

dgregd wrote: post #17
andruby wrote: post #8

I'm not sure what was already known. This page shows both the model S and the model 3 side by side: Car length: 196.0" vs 184.4" 0-60mph Acceleration: as quick as 2.3s vs 5.6s Range: 249-335 Miles Range (EPA) vs 215+ Miles Range Supercharging: Free Unlimited Supercharging vs Pay Per Use Supercharging Passengers: Seating for 5 Adults + 2 Children vs Seating for 5 Adults Cargo: 30 cu ft Front & Rear Trunk Cargo Volume…

No driver display in model 3? This will be a big disappointment for many people.

Dunno, I'd prefer a nice clear 15" screen over every in car display I've ever seen (except for the model S 17). Being larger and visible at all times is pretty nice. Doubly so with a passenger that's helping out can handle nav duties.

Generally I look at fuel levels rarely, tach almost never (and doubly irrelevant if you can't shift gears), and speedometer only occasionally since I'm usually just pacing traffic.

Anything else normally on the dash display is often a tiny small icon that's hard to see. Was that a check engine light? An upshift light? Oh, is one of the doors open?

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by sliken »

iplaw wrote: post #88
dgregd wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No driver display in model 3? This will be a big disappointment for many people.

Almost every vehicle, even budget sub-compacts, have driver displays now. The utilization of that display varies from nigh useless (odometer, oil minders, etc.) to very useful (navigational directions, at-a-glance music selection via steering wheel based controls, etc.). Removing this display from the Model 3 seems like a design choice intended to artificially distinguish and demote the Model 3 from the Model S.

How many people do you think would rather have a tiny cramped display crammed in the hole of the steering wheel (and often partially occluded depending on user height, seat, and steering wheel position) vs a nice clear 15" display that both people in front and see?

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by sliken »

swift33 wrote: post #185
jedberg wrote: post #175

I was at a Tesla dealership the other day, and the "sales associate" or whatever they call them was really pushing me away from the Model 3. He said, "Think of it like an electric Civic. It has no luxury features. The dashboard is a flat board like a picnic table. It has no speedometer or any gauges in front of the driver (it's all on the touchscreen in the middle). It doesn't have air conditioning on the passenger s…

No air conditioning for the passenger or a glove box? Has this been confirmed?

I suspect they are trying to exaggerate not having a dual zone climate system. So sure there's cool air in the interior for all 5 seats, but not a separate zone for the front seat passenger.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by lttlrck »

sliken wrote: post #259
hangonhn wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think your response is a bit narrow and takes my response out of context. It also ignores a number of other issues to make electric cars look better than they really are. 1. Electric cars use a lot of copper and lithium. Mining of both are horribly polluting. The worst EPA superfund site is a former copper mine. Lithium mining is also pretty bad. However they are at least localized. Electric cars still need power,…

Tesla reported that air bags being triggered dropped by 40% when they turned on the autonomous braking. Do you consider that "a novelty"?

Autonomous braking is collision avoidance, not 'autopilot' - it's widely available

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collision_avoidance_system#Lis...

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by jedberg »

cowmix wrote: post #188
jedberg wrote: post #175

I was at a Tesla dealership the other day, and the "sales associate" or whatever they call them was really pushing me away from the Model 3. He said, "Think of it like an electric Civic. It has no luxury features. The dashboard is a flat board like a picnic table. It has no speedometer or any gauges in front of the driver (it's all on the touchscreen in the middle). It doesn't have air conditioning on the passenger s…

Which location was this?

Sunnyvale

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by [deleted] »

cowmix wrote: post #188
jedberg wrote: post #175

I was at a Tesla dealership the other day, and the "sales associate" or whatever they call them was really pushing me away from the Model 3. He said, "Think of it like an electric Civic. It has no luxury features. The dashboard is a flat board like a picnic table. It has no speedometer or any gauges in front of the driver (it's all on the touchscreen in the middle). It doesn't have air conditioning on the passenger s…

Which location was this?

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Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by jedberg »

abraves10001 wrote: post #195
jedberg wrote: post #175

I was at a Tesla dealership the other day, and the "sales associate" or whatever they call them was really pushing me away from the Model 3. He said, "Think of it like an electric Civic. It has no luxury features. The dashboard is a flat board like a picnic table. It has no speedometer or any gauges in front of the driver (it's all on the touchscreen in the middle). It doesn't have air conditioning on the passenger s…

Unbelievable. Like, I literally don't believe it.

You don't believe me or the sales person?

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by jedberg »

rsync wrote: post #236
jedberg wrote: post #175

I was at a Tesla dealership the other day, and the "sales associate" or whatever they call them was really pushing me away from the Model 3. He said, "Think of it like an electric Civic. It has no luxury features. The dashboard is a flat board like a picnic table. It has no speedometer or any gauges in front of the driver (it's all on the touchscreen in the middle). It doesn't have air conditioning on the passenger s…

"It has no luxury features." That sounds very much like a Model S ... Go look at the interior options and features (and materials and fit+finish) of any mid-range luxury car (5series, E-Class, A6) and the Model S comes nowhere near in terms of luxuries and amenities and functions. Never mind the actual high end cars that the Model S is supposedly competing with (7Series, S-Class, A8). They play it off as a very moder…

The model X too. I drove one for a day and it felt like a $25,000 car inside, not $125,000.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by jedberg »

sliken wrote: post #263
swift33 wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No air conditioning for the passenger or a glove box? Has this been confirmed?

I suspect they are trying to exaggerate not having a dual zone climate system. So sure there's cool air in the interior for all 5 seats, but not a separate zone for the front seat passenger.

He literally said "no vent on the right". But maybe he was exaggerating.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by legolas2412 »

brentis wrote: post #244
013a wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even calling the Model S a BMW is stretching given, for the price, how bad the interior is, how average the performance is (outside of the P100D), and how poor their customer support and QA is. Tesla has no comparison in the auto industry. The Model S is a $35k upcharge, minimum, over comparable traditional automobiles, just for the electric powertrain. The Model 3 might get that number down to $15k. Nothing we've se…

Wow. So pleased to see there are not a ton of Tesla fanboys on here. I feel like I'm in good company.

What are you talking about. There are a ton of musk fanboys here.

He says that we'll have fully self driving cars this year, astronauts on Mars in 2022, human comouter nueral interface in 2025, and a settlement with cheap tunnels ok Mars in 2030.

These guys are going to have a decade of disappointment and hyperbole thrown at them.

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