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Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by lenerdenator »

mc32 wrote: post #203
lenerdenator wrote: post #194

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How was it dumb? You have a generation of Americans who were told repeatedly and often in their teenage years that if they wanted to be able to compete in the global job marketplace, they'd need, at the very least, a bachelor's degree. As it turns out, employers were going to offshore those jobs and cut those wages regardless of your education. The value of degrees was wildly over-inflated compared to the economic re…

We should allow students to discharge their loans if they cannot repay them. This means risk will be assigned to borrowers and that would squeeze the ability for kids to take out loans on stupid majors that have absolutely no hope of ROI, as currently priced.

I think there were some reforms to the process not too long ago that may have done something like you describe.

The problem comes from the fact that a lot of Millennials were told by their parents that having a degree was what mattered, not what the degree was for. That was probably true in their day; it wasn't true in the 00s. Kids were told to follow their dreams. Now those same parents scoff at the idea of meeting their now-adult children halfway in order to let them gainfully participate in the economy. It's insane.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by Zigurd »

parineum wrote: post #189
Zigurd wrote: post #178

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We already have the tools. The problem is that the corrupt oligarchs have the money that is considered equivalent to speech. Start with fixing that problem and other problems become solvable.

It's convenient to blame the "oligarchs" since it justifies you doing nothing since there's nothing you can do.

Of course we can do something. Take money out of politics and you will get legislation that actually reflects the will of the people. Make buying politicians harder. There are lots of ways to do that.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by NCFZ »

manlymuppet wrote: post #220

As much as I dislike this administration's actions, why? Doesn't the Department of Defense get discretion to contract for whatever reasons it likes, as long as they think it serves public interests? If Pete Hegseth, who is albeit highly incompetent, decides that Anthropic's values don't match with those of the DoD, isn't that entirely his call to make? Unless there's very specific circumstances at play, Hegseth is at…

I’m not a lawyer either but I think the introduction section of the ruling seems to address your questions in a somewhat accessible manner. Specifically the last two paragraphs of the intro section.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.46...

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by bsian »

rootusrootus wrote: post #246
bsian wrote: post #240

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All parliamentary democracies. If you have the majority, you can’t even be removed through a vote of no confidence.

But you have a head of state who can, in theory, remove the head of government at their own discretion, right? In the US the head of state and the head of government are the same person.

A king could… but that’s never going to happen.

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Post by jimt1234 »

londons_explore wrote: post #136

Presumably this is going to lead to anthropic getting a big payday from the US gov for all the time their flagship product was banned and all the users they lost due to it

I think the reverse is true. Anthropic gave a generous donation to the 'Trump fund' to make it go away, and so the government intentionally fumbled the case. Now Anthropic can continue to do business without this stench following them around.

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Post by rogerrogerr »

superxpro12 wrote: post #247
andrewla wrote: post #187

I think this both overstates and understates the case. The evidence being weak does not invalidate the decision; as the court notes, the government gets substantial deference on matters of national security. The invalidation comes from the fact that this is clearly retaliatory behavior for speech; and the evidence for this is fairly strong since the administration has made public statements to that effect. The eviden…

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Post by trimethylpurine »

doginasuit wrote: post #40
trimethylpurine wrote: post #13

I don't agree. When anthropic contractually stopped the US government from using the platform for certain purposes that they could not prevent the average user from pursuing they created a de facto national security risk. Prevent everyone from doing it or don't prevent anyone. You can't single out and cripple only one country. I don't imagine that this was Anthropic's intent anyway. They were just trying to say that…

> When anthropic contractually stopped the US government from using the platform for certain purposes that they could not prevent the average user from pursuing they created a de facto national security risk. Anthropic had two red lines: 1) no lethal autonomous warfare without a human in the loop, and 2) no mass surveillance of Americans. How is that something the average user is capable of? How are those red lines c…

>These were not special terms for the U.S. government

Are they going to sue in Iran?

>How is that something the average user is capable of?

Do you really not know? Must be nice.

>How are those red lines creating a national security risk?

It's a policy banning nations (national) from using a technology as a weapon (security).

>There is no reason why the U.S. government should dispute those terms, and their reaction was dystopian.

Yeah it's dystopian! They are using it as a weapon. They told us that. Anthropic obviously knew that they would. They have a policy about it, because the tech itself is dystopian!

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Post by rootusrootus »

bobthepanda wrote: post #96
ElProlactin wrote: post #77

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You're right: the current administration would find a way because they don't care what the law says. The law, to them, is a system to be hacked when necessary. Many Americans take for granted the idea that the US is a "nation of laws" and that "rule of law" governs above all else. But the reality is this: there is no such thing as a perfect legal system. You can have a strong legal system by design (good oversight, v…

An interesting feature of Trump 2.0 is that his party has essentially entirely keeled over. Presidents are not historically all powerful within their own parties and the nature of the big tent systems means usually it is fairly difficult to get agreement on everything within a party without some compromise. Trump has managed to defang everybody else in the GOP.

> An interesting feature of Trump 2.0 is that his party has essentially entirely keeled over.

The people who called it a cult were basically right. Trump has overwhelming control over republican voters and has proven he can easily end the careers of republican politicians who oppose him. I do not recall a single politician of either party in my lifetime who has held this level of uncritical support.

It will be fascinating to see what happens when his grip on the party is removed. None of the current crop of potential successors appears to have even remotely the right kind of support to maintain the coalition. That does not seem surprising, he cannot really abide having someone close to him who looks like a powerful successor because he would see it as a threat. So he will anoint a weakling and the base will fracture.

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Post by rootusrootus »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #129
SwtCyber wrote: post #93

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The harder problem is designing remedies that make illegal government action actually expensive enough to discourage it, without also making officials afraid to make legitimate decisions.

>officials afraid to make legitimate decisions Yeah, god forbid they drive right down the middle of the lane rather than drive right up to the line of what the public will tolerate. There is a direct causative line between government actors feeling like they can get away with unpopular things and the populist politics we've had brewing in this country for the past 20yr. The tea party, the Bernie bros the ron paul era…

> if your policy goals involve people in other states, which just about all progressives do

That does not seem like a feature unique to progressives? Conservatives are trying explicitly to involve other states, they'd happily put us all under the thumb of a Evangelical theocracy if they had the power to do so.

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