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Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by IAmBroom »

agileAlligator wrote: post #124
LoganDark wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you saying? If people all choose a shitty version from China, there will be no market for a good local version and businesses will stop trying. The investment required to match China's manufacturing capability in any area is simply impossible unless you say it is an AI data center.

on what basis do you claim the local product is "good" if people are not choosing it?

You can manipulate the meaning of "good" to suit your purpose, but it generally refers to quality.

Cost is a different aspect entirely. A one-dollar scoop of ice cream and a $100 scoop are both good.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by pjc50 »

kypro wrote: post #188

I know most will see this as a good thing, and perhaps in this case it is, but I think it's generally concerning that people can vote for leaders who effectively can't do anything significant. I understand this community largely disagrees with Trump, but the only people who win overall from these scenarios are people who support the status-quo and don't like the idea of a leader having significant power to change thi…

> I think it's generally concerning that people can vote for leaders who effectively can't do anything significant

There's been a ton of this sort of discussion over the past three hundred years, and the consensus which was particularly strong in the Federalist Papers was explicitly that there should be no _one_ person with significant, arbitrary powers.

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Post by mc32 »

lenerdenator wrote: post #194
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Debt forgiveness was dumb too. It normalized capricious government handouts for volitional actions. After the Corinthian shutdown there was little excuse for taking on massive debt for BS degrees.

How was it dumb? You have a generation of Americans who were told repeatedly and often in their teenage years that if they wanted to be able to compete in the global job marketplace, they'd need, at the very least, a bachelor's degree. As it turns out, employers were going to offshore those jobs and cut those wages regardless of your education. The value of degrees was wildly over-inflated compared to the economic re…

We should allow students to discharge their loans if they cannot repay them. This means risk will be assigned to borrowers and that would squeeze the ability for kids to take out loans on stupid majors that have absolutely no hope of ROI, as currently priced.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by junon »

iAMkenough wrote: post #184
digitaltrees wrote: post #154

When this administration is done we need to amend the constitution to hold politicians legally and financially responsible for intentionally lying and intentionally breaking the law. This was obviously illegal on its face and yet there is no consequence to pushing the norms.

Start with the Supreme Court, who determined “official acts” are to be presumed legal. With no standards test for what qualifies as an official act or not.

This still makes my blood boil. Even then people didn't seem to care (maybe they didn't understand) and we're all collectively just going along with it.

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Post by pjc50 »

zaphar wrote: post #164
digitaltrees wrote: post #154

When this administration is done we need to amend the constitution to hold politicians legally and financially responsible for intentionally lying and intentionally breaking the law. This was obviously illegal on its face and yet there is no consequence to pushing the norms.

This is impossible until a critical mass of voters across every state starts putting competence and integrity ahead of their pet issue and populism. If you actually want to start making headway in this direction you have to stop voting for candidates in either of the main parties. The parties are probably not salvageable. Find a third party candidate with these qualities and vote for them and convince as many people…

Realistically, the option that will actually work for you is to fight within Democrat primaries. The absolute best case is you get a Mamdani. (Note this means accepting a bit of populism, because ultimately it's a popularity contest). Third parties are going nowhere due to the coordination problem.

(NB: this is meaningfully different in the UK which has really multi-party elections despite Westminster elections being FPTP)

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Post by pjc50 »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #129
SwtCyber wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The harder problem is designing remedies that make illegal government action actually expensive enough to discourage it, without also making officials afraid to make legitimate decisions.

>officials afraid to make legitimate decisions Yeah, god forbid they drive right down the middle of the lane rather than drive right up to the line of what the public will tolerate. There is a direct causative line between government actors feeling like they can get away with unpopular things and the populist politics we've had brewing in this country for the past 20yr. The tea party, the Bernie bros the ron paul era…

Unclear why you seem to be blaming progressives for Trump.

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Post by the_gastropod »

zaphar wrote: post #164
digitaltrees wrote: post #154

When this administration is done we need to amend the constitution to hold politicians legally and financially responsible for intentionally lying and intentionally breaking the law. This was obviously illegal on its face and yet there is no consequence to pushing the norms.

This is impossible until a critical mass of voters across every state starts putting competence and integrity ahead of their pet issue and populism. If you actually want to start making headway in this direction you have to stop voting for candidates in either of the main parties. The parties are probably not salvageable. Find a third party candidate with these qualities and vote for them and convince as many people…

A both-sides guy! How original!

Choose the worst Democratic politician currently in office and please explain what they’ve done or said that is in any way comparable to what the Republican Party is doing.

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Post by dahart »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #167
mc32 wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, like the student debt forgiveness. We hate the ones we disagree with and we love the ones we agree with.

Debt forgiveness was dumb too. It normalized capricious government handouts for volitional actions. After the Corinthian shutdown there was little excuse for taking on massive debt for BS degrees.

Why do you assume there’s debt involved? Whether BS or not, people with degrees have higher earnings (~2x on average according to the FED) and pay higher taxes (more than 2x on average); it’s very much in the government’s financial interest for more people to have degrees.

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Post by derektank »

peri-cl wrote: post #152
londons_explore wrote: post #136

Presumably this is going to lead to anthropic getting a big payday from the US gov for all the time their flagship product was banned and all the users they lost due to it

This is about the DoD supply chain risk designation—*not* the export controls.

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