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Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The case is not about that though

I thought that the blacklisting was what led to them losing the business? Didn't the blacklisting effectively mean that contractors couldn't use Anthropic because it was supposedly a supply chain risk?

That was a different issue from the US government preventing Anthropic from selling general access to their Fable 5 model for a few weeks.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

#182

When this administration is done we need to amend the constitution to hold politicians legally and financially responsible for intentionally lying and intentionally breaking the law. This was obviously illegal on its face and yet there is no consequence to pushing the norms.

You just need the rule of law for that. It helps to not elect blatantly corrupt people as president.

Problem is that apparently the US will occasionally elect a corrupt president, so we need stronger measures in place for when that happens.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

#183

"When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal."

The modern Trump version is: "If a president does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment." - Trump's legal defense during his first impeachment.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

#184

When this administration is done we need to amend the constitution to hold politicians legally and financially responsible for intentionally lying and intentionally breaking the law. This was obviously illegal on its face and yet there is no consequence to pushing the norms.

Start with the Supreme Court, who determined “official acts” are to be presumed legal. With no standards test for what qualifies as an official act or not.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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https://san.com/cc/no-the-nsa-wasnt-hacked-by-ai-heres-what-...

If this article is accurate, it sounds like Mythos via Anthropic had proven itself to be a security risk. This explains the dual speak around it being both essential and a supply chain risk, since if it were hacked by another country it would compromise security.

Not being any riskier than any other "blackbox" AI is still sufficiently dangerous and I suppose the difference, without knowing more about what the government tested, was that they knew Mythos could do these things as they had evaluated it themselves.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

#186

Unlawful means absolutely nothing these days.

Of course it does. For those trying to hold the administration to account, there's all sorts of laws.

Can't indict the President for unlawful acts during his term. Can't post pictures online about the President. Can't lawfully protest against ICE agents abducting people off the street.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

#187
I think this both overstates and understates the case. The evidence being weak does not invalidate the decision; as the court notes, the government gets substantial deference on matters of national security.

The invalidation comes from the fact that this is clearly retaliatory behavior for speech; and the evidence for this is fairly strong since the administration has made public statements to that effect.

The evidence being weak means that it is clear that there is no reasonable belief that the cause of action is anything but an attempt to apply a penalty for the use of protected speech.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

#188
I know most will see this as a good thing, and perhaps in this case it is, but I think it's generally concerning that people can vote for leaders who effectively can't do anything significant.

I understand this community largely disagrees with Trump, but the only people who win overall from these scenarios are people who support the status-quo and don't like the idea of a leader having significant power to change things. Any leader who is elected on a mandate to govern differently will face similar legal challenges.

I'm also not saying there's no place for legal challenges either, but there is a balance to be found there. The idea the Pentagon can't blacklist a US company for whatever reason it wants just seems absurd to me regardless of whether this specific ruling is good or bad.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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post #178

When this administration is done we need to amend the constitution to hold politicians legally and financially responsible for intentionally lying and intentionally breaking the law. This was obviously illegal on its face and yet there is no consequence to pushing the norms.

We already have the tools. The problem is that the corrupt oligarchs have the money that is considered equivalent to speech. Start with fixing that problem and other problems become solvable.

It's convenient to blame the "oligarchs" since it justifies you doing nothing since there's nothing you can do.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe read about the case and the reasoning of the judge before saying things that aren't pertinent. "The empty invocation of national security is not a blank check to punish and retaliate against government critics"

What I said is pertinent: Anthropic refusing to build software for autonomous weapons platforms is a national security issue. They have the capability, but they just don't want to do it because they don't feel like it. Soldiers don't need to die because a company is stubborn.

> they have the capability

I think the whole problem is that they don't. Their systems are wholly unsuitable for _fully_ automated killing. Random schools and fishermen don't need to die because an administration stubbornly refuses to properly confront reality.

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