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Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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Post by 8note »

Dibby053 wrote: post #81

They seem to have been granting contracts to manage all kinds of critical data to Huawei's Palantir equivalent lately, so it's probably less about security risks and more about the current source of the bribe money. If they cared about security they would not outsource this kind of stuff to foreign companies. Spain is not Somalia, why not let Indra do it?

> Spain is not Somalia, why not let Indra do it?

foreigners are a bit more likely to be loyal to the government and not some separatist opposition? or at least the companies corruption will be quite separate from what impacts the local government

this also came up with the 6th gen fighter designs between france and germany. it works when theres a non-european driving, because both trust the non-europe option more than any fellow european. the local lords are too powerful to be trusted, and too competitive against eachother

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Post by ascotan »

wodenokoto wrote: post #235
fodmap wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do agree blocking Palantir is a good move but the Spanish government is doing it for the wrong reason. Spain is storing all sort of data on Chinese servers, including their Intelligence, and Judicial wiretaps. https://www.politico.eu/article/spain-huawei-contract-judici...

Right now you either give it to China or to the US. China is not publicly threatening to invade the EU. I think the EU needs to produce this themselves but right now they don’t and they don’t have any large, trustworthy allies.

so.. hand over your data to china to spite orange man. yes excellent move.

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Post by croes »

kazinator wrote: post #203
croes wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn’t change facts about Japan‘s problems. In certain parts they are just less visible.

Avoiding cherry picking does in fact change facts.

It doesn’t change facts. Cherry picking change the perception of facts, like your visit of Japan

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Post by croes »

dgellow wrote: post #167
wickedwiesel wrote: post #158

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Yes, correct, and thanks for the addition. To illustrate this quite emotional approach to state finances, the policy of not increasing the the debt was nicknamed "the black zero" ("die Schwarze Null") which got so infamous that the employees of the German Federal Ministry of Finances posed as a "black zero" in this photo: https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Bilderstre... Remember, this was at a time whe…

Yeah, I like to live in Germany but the leadership is extremely good at missing lifetime opportunities…

They have a real negative view of humanity. All lazy and corrupt. And that in a country with over 600M unpaid overtime hours and lots of things done based on voluntary work. Maybe some kind of projection.

Pretty ironic that the Christian party doesn’t act christian and the social party doesn’t act social.

Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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Post by bpodgursky »

8note wrote: post #248
bpodgursky wrote: post #89

> The firm holds a €16.5 million contract signed in 2023 with the Armed Forces Intelligence Center (CIFAS), which is scheduled to expire this upcoming November. > Military leadership, including the Chiefs of Staff of the Army and Navy, has lobbied Defense Minister Margarita Robles to renew the contract, citing the platform's operational superiority. Palantir wins contracts because they are better at what they do. If…

clearly not better if they cant win a spanish contract?

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They won the contract, the military wants to keep it, the politicians are threatening to blanket kill all palantir contracts.

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Post by dwd »

fluoridation wrote: post #224
dwd wrote: post #217

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Someone in ICE uses Microsoft Excel to maintain a list of people who they believe should be send to an internment camp. Therefore Microsoft is an accessory to that? Where do you draw the line? Are we arguing there is a level of software capability that is simply too dangerous? Maybe everyone should just stick to "I have my own biases, and I don't like Alex Karp's politics because they don't match my own. I'd rather t…

>Someone in ICE uses Microsoft Excel to maintain a list of people who they believe should be send to an internment camp. Therefore Microsoft is an accessory to that? Utterly disingenuous. Surveillance software is primarily sold to governments to spy on individuals. It doesn't exist for any reason except for the powerful to oppress the weak. >Where do you draw the line? "I just kept turning the heat up and the frog se…

Since when has Palantir sold surveillance software? They sell data integration software and they don't store, transfer or share customer's data.

If surveillance software is your issue, then companies like Cisco or Huawei are provide the hardware and software. But like most technology, there is always potential to use it for things we disagree with politically or personally.

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Post by Manuel_D »

8note wrote: post #242
Manuel_D wrote: post #180

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Yes, the objections to Palantir are mostly just partisan politics. Efforts to portray Karp or Thiel as especially dangerous usually involves some taking some quote and applying a massive leap in logic. Like, Thiel says that it's easier to change the world by inventing new technology than through democracy. And people turn around and try quote this to prop up the claim that he wants to abolish democracy.

its not partisan politics when both partisan parties increase their use of palantir the actual partisan politics of freedom and making the government's job harder is entirely left out of the politics when the billionaires own all of the politicians, thats not particularly surprising

Is making the government's job hard a good thing? If medicare delivers care half as good as it could have been, that's a good thing? If fraudsters go unchecked because the FBI is stymied, is the country better off?

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Post by Manuel_D »

8note wrote: post #241
Manuel_D wrote: post #166

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Can you point to where Karp falls for abolishing democracy? I can't seem to find that part.

> falls for? what does that mean? advocates for the fall of? palantir might not be particularly exciting, but the increase in government power by having access to joins is incredibly antidemocratic

Ah sorry, I meant to write "calls for". To be more specific:

> he hilariously tries to convince people that the best way to have democracy is to not have it at all. a kind of “to protect your freedom, we’ll take away your freedom” idea that only a certain kind of person falls for.

Where does he say anything like this? You made some specific allegations about what he said in his manifesto. Can you point to the passage that you're referring to when you make the above point about not having a democracy?

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Post by saguntum »

_ink_ wrote: post #5

I really like what Spain is doing recently. If it weren't for climate change, I'd consider moving there.

I'm moving there.

Climate change is going to affect everywhere, and yes, a lot of Spain will experience desertification over the course of my lifetime. I am moving from Texas to Spain, though, so I am used to heat from a pure personal comfort perspective.

One interesting point is that Spain is well-situated in terms of its energy mix: it's a leader of renewables in Europe. It was also able to negotiate a carve-out from collective energy pricing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberian_exception), so Iberian energy markets are generally cheaper than broader European markets. This will have downstream economic effects for the country and makes it easier to afford using AC. I will always install AC wherever I live. There are far too many avoidable heat deaths in Europe in particular given their level of economic development. I don't blame them at all given the need is relatively new, but it's really a sad phenomenon.

If you are a true climate doomer (realist?), also, Spain is going to fare as well as one can in Europe should the AMOC collapse. It's not the best place to be globally in a scenario like that, though, to say the least.

For me, with everything going on in terms of world events, life choices are basically just placing bets about the future. There is no truly safe or best choice in a lot of scenarios.

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Post by [deleted] »

wickedwiesel wrote: post #158
dgellow wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> were living in a world were state debt was seen as the devil's spawn. You’re not kidding, it’s literally set in the German constitution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_balanced_budget_amendme...

Yes, correct, and thanks for the addition. To illustrate this quite emotional approach to state finances, the policy of not increasing the the debt was nicknamed "the black zero" ("die Schwarze Null") which got so infamous that the employees of the German Federal Ministry of Finances posed as a "black zero" in this photo: https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Bilderstre... Remember, this was at a time whe…

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