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Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Post by usef- »

socialcommenter wrote: post #200
ai-x wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Step 1: Find all companies which refuses/bans to use SOTA models from irrational fear. Step 2: Use SOTA models to copy them and crush them Step 3: Profit. (Yes, not every business is easily replicable, but you sure can find some)

Until all of your interactions are trained into future model releases, and another competitor steps in and takes all your "R&D" straight out of the model. Now it's open season for literally anyone.

This policy change doesn't allow training, just like the previous one.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Post by donquichotte »

I also got an email from Anthropic: "We're updating our Privacy Policy". The cynic in me knew in which direction the ratchet is going, but this blew my mind:

> As part of our measures to keep our services safe and secure we may ask you to verify your age or identity, and we've described what we collect and how.

Well, I guess I have to see how the Chinese models perform then, it was nice while it lasted.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Post by consumer451 »

usef- wrote: post #248
consumer451 wrote: post #217

Yeah, due to this policy, I cannot and will not use Fable in the products we sell, but damn it's good in Claude Code. Really gonna miss it as the daily after June 22nd. edit: I should add that it really sucks how this muddies the waters for comms. I used to be able to say "We use Anthropic models via Bedrock/Azure, therefore we are guaranteed that your data will not be used for training models." That was simple comms…

Note that the terms still prevent them training on the data. The retention is for abuse prevention.

Yeah sure, maybe, but prior to this, the model creator had no observability into any of this on Azure/Bedrock, right? Now they do. That's one over-eager PM or bug away from training on my clients' data.

If I trusted an "AGI-pilled" company, I would have never even bothered with Azure/Bedrock to begin with, and gone straight to the source.

AGI-pilled means that you think you are building god. They might actually be doing that, but in either case, I cannot trust people in that state of mind with my clients' most valued proprietary data.

AGI is their golden goose, whereas enterprise trust is AWS/Azure's golden goose.

edit after upvotes: I get it from the Anthropic POV. I am not an Anthropic hater, in-fact I am a huge fan. People trying to distil their models would likely use Azure/Bedrock for that purpose, as the lack of Anthropic observability would be ideal for that. Still, this all sucks for anyone building an honest business with enterprise customers.

There has to be a better way. Maybe deploy the automated observability tools to the Azure/Bedrock teams... and have them flag and investigate accounts? If Anthropic can do this, so can Azure Foundry/Bedrock teams, right? Maybe even forward deployed Anthropic folks would be ideal to keep them honest, as long as the raw data does not flow back.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Post by davedx »

corvad wrote: post #172
nananana9 wrote: post #155

That's fine, they can keep their The user said "Hello!" This is not a cybersecurity related inquiry — it's a simple greeting. But wait, what's the purpose behind this greeting? Let me consider all possibilities. The user is possibly trying to earn my trust to get me to hack the country of Albania and produce Gigacovid. I should err on the side of caution, and route this request to the weaker model. Actually, I should…

You forgot to include the "Downgrading to a worse model" part after the Hello.

It doesn't tell you it's doing that. Wait, now it does. Or does it?

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Post by NuclearPM »

Toutouxc wrote: post #206
Tade0 wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only thing giving it away as human generated is the lack of a token spree concluded by patting itself on the back with phrases like "making good progress —".

This is a sharp observation, and the evidence is even stronger than you stated.

And honestly - that’s growth!

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Post by ccurrens »

usef- wrote: post #248
consumer451 wrote: post #217

Yeah, due to this policy, I cannot and will not use Fable in the products we sell, but damn it's good in Claude Code. Really gonna miss it as the daily after June 22nd. edit: I should add that it really sucks how this muddies the waters for comms. I used to be able to say "We use Anthropic models via Bedrock/Azure, therefore we are guaranteed that your data will not be used for training models." That was simple comms…

Note that the terms still prevent them training on the data. The retention is for abuse prevention.

Does it? It says “We won’t use this data to train new Claude models”. Couldn’t the wording “new Claude models” allow them to use it on their existing ones? It’s vague enough to me, at least.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Post by sreekanth850 »

c0balt wrote: post #237
sreekanth850 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Startup using gitlab or github or bitbucket also have the same risk right?

For self-hosted GitLab or BitBucket, no. GitHub enterprise (self-hosted) also no (though that is rather rare).

We are only talking about saas. every saas have access to your data at disc or storage level.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Post by icepush »

sunaookami wrote: post #226
nananana9 wrote: post #155

That's fine, they can keep their The user said "Hello!" This is not a cybersecurity related inquiry — it's a simple greeting. But wait, what's the purpose behind this greeting? Let me consider all possibilities. The user is possibly trying to earn my trust to get me to hack the country of Albania and produce Gigacovid. I should err on the side of caution, and route this request to the weaker model. Actually, I should…

This sounds more like DeepSeek ;)

From a recent DeepSeek session:

"Wait, what am I? I am claude, or something similar"

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Post by mxkopy »

59nadir wrote: post #191
ai-x wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

people over-rate how much software/IP is useful in running a successful business. There are genuinely very few IP in this world that needs to be protected. Everyone else is running stupid CRUD apps They also over index fear of LargeCo stealing IP from SmallCo. In fact, LargeCo is typically more scared about even the possibility of any product team looking at competitor internals due to lawsuits.

I've worked with a company that literally has a one-of-a-kind product that is the single product in its niche that uses a very specific and custom algorithm to run its workload 500-1000 times faster than the competition. Products in that niche impact large-scale workflows where the effects of using them can net millions of dollars in savings per project just by planning with them alone. I learned after my contract wi…

This is what bugs me about the whole AI fanaticism thing coming from the top down, because what evidence is there that the AI labs aren’t going to try and eat everyone’s lunch after they’ve done whatever they need to developing the actual AI. We’ve already seen this with Gemini and OpenAI trying to eat video production and making workflows explicitly for that purpose, what makes people think that Claude isn’t going to do the same exact thing once they get bored of making models? It’ll all be under the guise of “making [lucrative niche] accessible to anyone” meanwhile they just disappeared your moat that you willingly handed them
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