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US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Re: US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Post by cermicelli »

I don't understand why is everyone at war, I don't understand anything, I really just feel depressed. Don't feel like anyone cares what you think whether you live in US, EU, or somewhere else. It's all bomb this guy, bomb that guy these days.

I don't really have anything constructive to add, but hope folks in US realize just how insane all this is. Like can we just not have wars, like pretty please anything but more bombs and killing...

Like what happened to the walls folks in US were building a while ago, can we fund another, I will donate a 100$ if we wrap up all this shit this week. Heck if Russia and other countries pack it up I will add another 100$ to it...

Does that work, does anything work? ._.

Let's do something productive, honestly AI slop is more productive than this. I still can't wrap my head around this nonsense.

I am 25 I don't wanna know a world at war, just a few hundred more years of peace please, then you folks can feel free to go to war with Zurgs or something with your AGI drones...

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Post by hypeatei »

malfist wrote: post #211
financetechbro wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wake up. Things are different this time in case you haven’t noticed

Things are absolutely different, but there is no mechanism in the constitution for canceling elections.

> no mechanism in the constitution for canceling elections

Sure, but there's mechanism in real life that allows cancelling elections like sending your newly funded ICE goons to polling places. Ideally everyone follows the constitution but in reality (even looking at past administrations) there's nothing stopping the executive from taking an action and saying "oops guess we'll let the courts figure it out!"

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Post by chinathrow »

technothrasher wrote: post #76
chinathrow wrote: post #25

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> That piece of technological advance has gone mostly under the radar (!) so far The Ukraine would like to have a word.

FYI, "The Ukraine" is politically charged wording held over from Soviet times, and implies that it is part of Russia. The independent country is known simply as "Ukraine".

Yes, my bad, I am not an english native, thanks for the reminder.

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Post by isthatafact »

hypeatei wrote: post #252
malfist wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things are absolutely different, but there is no mechanism in the constitution for canceling elections.

> no mechanism in the constitution for canceling elections Sure, but there's mechanism in real life that allows cancelling elections like sending your newly funded ICE goons to polling places. Ideally everyone follows the constitution but in reality (even looking at past administrations) there's nothing stopping the executive from taking an action and saying "oops guess we'll let the courts figure it out!"

I agree. Stability of a system is not so much about whether there is some mechanism or force that wants to push it away from equilibrium (because there probably is some such perturber outside of a perfectly controlled environment), but stability is more about whether there exists a stabilizing mechanism to bring the system back toward equilibrium after it starts to deviate.

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Post by merpkz »

data-ottawa wrote: post #215
sys32768 wrote: post #34

An Iraqi security source said they think it was an Iranian boat rigged with explosives. If Iran does have underwater explosive drones, why would they boast about it and invite attacks upon that weapon and its deployment systems?

Iran has two clear win conditions in this war: cause enough pain that the US withdraws (unlikely given the current admin), or wait until US midterms and hope the Dems secure a victory and use the war powers resolution to end the war. The more FUD they can generate around transport in the strait of Hermuz the better for them. Maybe they have this capability and maybe they don’t, but they are clearly able to hit these…

> Ukraine has been using these drones so it’s entirely possible Iran has this tech too.

Ukraine has been defending against these drones for past 4 years!

EDIT: nevermind, we are talking about sea babies, not shaheds - different kind of drones.

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Post by marcosdumay »

morkalork wrote: post #242
marcosdumay wrote: post #141

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Restarting the oil wheels that are closed now will take years already.

Why is starting so much slower than stopping?

AFAIK, if you stop it slowly, it's quicker to restart.

But stopping it suddenly breaks rock structures and makes it harder for oil to flow. So the entire thing has to be repaired.

Re: US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Post by CapricornNoble »

moi2388 wrote: post #182
CapricornNoble wrote: post #157

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Telegram is full of gigantic rallies all hours of the day and night supporting the Iranian government. Even street interviews with young women (no hijab!) claiming they were formerly protesters but aren't going to tolerate foreigners bombing their country. Do you have some solid sources on the ground to the contrary?

All the Iranians I personally know. About 15 families.

As the sister comment alludes, how many of those 15 families are in Iran?

My professor from my graduate program and his family are all Iranian. It's no surprise that they anti-regime: his wife's uncles were generals in the Shah's army, and were "disappeared" during the Revolution. They've been living in Japan for ~40 years. Hardly indicative of the opinion of the "man on the street" in Tehran, Isfahan, or Mashhad.

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Post by ipaddr »

Ancapistani wrote: post #173
marcosdumay wrote: post #148

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They hate it a lot less today than they did 2 weeks ago.

Interesting you should say that, as not a single one of the Iranian emigrants that I know would agree with you.

Iranians who left and live in the west want Iran to be the west. Nothing changed.. they all held those beliefs before the war.

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Post by ipaddr »

moi2388 wrote: post #136
ipaddr wrote: post #96

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Unless you are sending ground troops that's not happening.

I think you underestimate how much Iranians hate their current regime..

You overestimate how many people hate the regime and under estimate how many hate Israel and don't want to be ruled by them. No one is rising up not even the Kurds.

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Post by ipaddr »

moi2388 wrote: post #182
CapricornNoble wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram is full of gigantic rallies all hours of the day and night supporting the Iranian government. Even street interviews with young women (no hijab!) claiming they were formerly protesters but aren't going to tolerate foreigners bombing their country. Do you have some solid sources on the ground to the contrary?

All the Iranians I personally know. About 15 families.

Have they risen up yet and taken over their town? Has anyone?
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