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Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by tim333 »

nullocator wrote: post #232
tim333 wrote: post #204

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Trump seems to have thought it through a bit. Recent post: >...This is the single greatest chance for the Iranian people to take back their Country. We are hearing that many of their IRGC, Military, and other Security and Police Forces, no longer want to fight, and are looking for Immunity from us. As I said last night, “Now they can have Immunity, later they only get Death!” Hopefully, the IRGC and Police will peace…

Uh huh, and if you are an Iranian Policeman are you more concerned that the funny orange man yelling on the tv/phone is going to get you, or the mob forming outside your window? They might see it in their personal self interest to stay lock step with the former regime as a better form of self preservation than just surrendering to the population they've been abusing. It's not like the U.S. can offer them any actual i…

I'd probably think about which side is going to end up in power and try to get along with whoever that is. The US's demonstrated willingness to kill the leader will probably have an influence there.

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Post by reliabilityguy »

someotherperson wrote: post #227
reliabilityguy wrote: post #183

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Libya is not a real country in a historical sense. It’s a bunch of tribes, Kadaffi was from one of the tribes that subjugated others. In Iraq it was a Sunni minority that rules over Shiite majority, and other minorities like the Kurds. In Syria one minority (alawiites) rules over others by force. Also, these countries were not formed by themselves, but rather through deals with France and/or Britain. Iran, while also…

Iraqis also see themselves as a continuation of Mesopotamian people, that was quite literally what Iraqi Baathist thought was centered around and used as the successful unification strategy. That's quite literally the justification the Baathists used to try 'reclaim' both Khuzestan and Kuwait. You quite literally couldn't be more wrong in how you categorize Baathist Iraq. Iran has a much worse relationship with its m…

> That's quite literally the justification the Baathists used to try 'reclaim' both Khuzestan and Kuwait. You quite literally couldn't be more wrong in how you categorize Baathist Iraq.

Baathism is literally pan-arabism! Arabism as in Arab. Do you really think that making pan-arabism movement under the sauce of Babylonian legacy is going to work on Kurds and others? Of course not. Same applies to Syria that had their own flavor of pan-arabist party that kept Asad in power. Only recently, after the summer 2025 war with Israel Islamic Republic tried to connect itself to its Persian past, but of course it is too late for that.

> Iran has a much worse relationship with its minorities, where if you are of the wrong faith then you literally face state-sanctioned laws preventing you studying or working.

I am not sure how the practices of the Islamic Republic related to the current mood of the Iranians that oppose it.

> In fact, things in Iraq became much worse for minorities after the overthrowal due to the adoption of Iranian cultural practices like Abrahamic elitism.

You mean that Islamic Republic exported its own flawed ideology on the neighboring states through funding of various non-state actors? Wow.

> The cherry on top of all of this is that you probably don't realize that Persians in Iran only make up 60% of the country. You have Iranians who wholly reject Persian ancestry (Azeris, Armenians, Assyrians, Kurds...) but you don't even account for them, despite Iran having, what, three? entirely separate ethnic-based separatist insurgencies active across the country LOL

I think you conflate anti-regime insurgency vs. anti-persian one.

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Post by jasonvorhe »

throwawayheui57 wrote: post #174
FilosofumRex wrote: post #94

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there is no opposition in Iran, they're mostly in DC and Tel Aviv...

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Google isn't reliable. They'll present you whatever the current thing dictates, without any nuance whatsoever. Sure you can hunt down some exceptions here and there but post 2020, most publications are inviolacy captured by various interests that aren't yours or mine.

But of course there are regime critics but apart from those already captured by US/Israeli intelligence are either people without any perspective or those smart enough to know that a US regime change will worsen their situation even more, so they rather not participate in riots. At least that's what I've been hearing. It's just an anecdote, make of it what you want.

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Post by nailer »

bjourne wrote: post #239
nailer wrote: post #228

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Iran isn’t an arab country.

Great, but that is nit-picking---I'm describing a cultural trait present in Iran which makes certain decisions seem irrational to Westerners.

I’m suggesting by referring to Iran as an Arab country, you have demonstrated you know very little about the Middle East.

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Post by danny_codes »

SkyeCA wrote: post #108
g8oz wrote: post #72

America and Israel are lawless countries. Can you imagine other countries assassinating a foreign head of state and not getting immediate blowback?

> America and Israel are lawless countries. The truth of the world, as much as we may hate it, is that at least at the state level might makes right.

Well not right, but effective in the short term. In the longer term I assume this kind of policy is destabilizing and bad for everyone

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Post by GeoAtreides »

dfadsadsf wrote: post #161
csmpltn wrote: post #130

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You seriously don’t think Iraq is in a better place today than it has ever been? You miss Saddam?

Iraq right now is in roughly the same position as it was when Saddam Hussein was there but in the meantime a few million people died and the country went through a pretty traumatic period.

lol lmao

is the civilian population being gassed in Iraq now? how about a brutal repressive regime backed by a secret police that tortured and disappeared thousands? is Iraq really the same as it was under Saddam?!!?!?!?!?!??!?!

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Post by cosmicgadget »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #188
culi wrote: post #150

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There was a clip of one of Iran's missiles dodging 3 Patriot interceptors to hit the US base in Bahrain. I realized I just watched $12m wasted for nothing in less than 5 seconds.

That's your money that's being Squandered yet you have no say in the decision to wage this war, nor your representative.

There was an election in 2024.

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Post by thfuran »

LastTrain wrote: post #79
TulliusCicero wrote: post #62

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But in the case of an actual dictator who murdered thousands of protestors it is reasonable, right, just, and civilized. Shed no tears for the deaths of tyrants. They would happily see you and any other threat to their illegitimate power put six feet under.

Yes our president has only needlessly murdered two innocent US citizens so far. As he has told us countless times, he would like to be a dictator.

>Yes our president has only needlessly murdered two innocent US citizens so far

Over a million people in the US died of COVID. It's impossible to know exactly how many of them would've lived if the pandemic started under a president with a saner response than recommending injecting disinfectant, but I'm willing to bet it's more than two.

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Post by consumer451 »

thomassmith65 wrote: post #12

The Iranian diaspora around the world is celebrating. Here's the scene in Berlin: https://youtu.be/NSbx_0mtk80?si=MJ_Bfvx8gVd1P1mm They've waited a very long time for this moment!

Also please see: https://old.reddit.com/r/newiran

Remember Kian.

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Post by cosmicgadget »

dotancohen wrote: post #132
ReptileMan wrote: post #65

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Quite the opposite - if they know they are risking their lives they would be more reasonable.

It's the stated reason why the United States has an impeachment process. So that they have a process for removing undesirable heads of state without resorting to assassination.

True but other countries don't have an equivalent process.
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