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Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by bsjaux628 »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #190
reliabilityguy wrote: post #170

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There is also a possibility of a Venezuela-style cooperation.

Adding Iranian oil back to the market will lower prices everywhere, including Russia. I'm not so sure the extra-heavy Venezuelan oil will be affected as much. Anyone know?

Reminder: extra heavy oil means that there is more processing required to get useful materials out of it, which in turn becomes higher operational cost. So, if Iranian oil entered the market, prices would go down making Venezuelan oil non competitive (I believe the break even price for Venezuelan oil was close to 80$). At this moment the numbers don't add up to make companies go back into Venezuela given the price, uncertainty and past expiriences.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by nullocator »

tim333 wrote: post #204
orthogonal_cube wrote: post #135

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Removal of the head of state is often a turning point. Either a regime becomes more extreme or the government collapses due to in-fighting as individuals attempt to gain control. I would hold back on any hopes until we see how the current government handles things. Intervention from other countries does not always lead to positive outcomes.

Trump seems to have thought it through a bit. Recent post: >...This is the single greatest chance for the Iranian people to take back their Country. We are hearing that many of their IRGC, Military, and other Security and Police Forces, no longer want to fight, and are looking for Immunity from us. As I said last night, “Now they can have Immunity, later they only get Death!” Hopefully, the IRGC and Police will peace…

Uh huh, and if you are an Iranian Policeman are you more concerned that the funny orange man yelling on the tv/phone is going to get you, or the mob forming outside your window? They might see it in their personal self interest to stay lock step with the former regime as a better form of self preservation than just surrendering to the population they've been abusing. It's not like the U.S. can offer them any actual immunity lmao.

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Post by Rapzid »

1a527dd5 wrote: post #86

I wonder how old the rest of the commentators are. I watched the Shock and Awe campaign. I watched Saddam fall. I remember thinking this is great. Years later, I understand it was a complete folly. Removing Saddam in itself was good but what it did the wider region was not good.

I turned 18 about 6 months after 9-11.

Going to take a night off from worrying about forever wars and celebrate the end of the Ayatollah and Ali Khamenei.

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Post by [deleted] »

bjourne wrote: post #221
khazhoux wrote: post #175

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Every Iranian friend of mine is celebrating this. They desperately wanted him gone. Are you suggesting Iranians should have protested harder, maybe tried more to "bring change from within"?

I have ten times as many Iranian friends as you have. They are all against the bombings.

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Post by bsjaux628 »

drjasonharrison wrote: post #171
LastTrain wrote: post #79

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Yes our president has only needlessly murdered two innocent US citizens so far. As he has told us countless times, he would like to be a dictator.

and murdered a bunch of Venezuelans, a bunch of non-citizens in the USA, collected from American companies and residents billions in tariffs... How about those Epstein files?

The death toll for the Venezuela raid is between 80 and 100, out of them only 10 were civilians. I feel bad for those 10 civilians but, for the rest, I feel no sympathy, as they were oppressors.

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Post by muzani »

csmpltn wrote: post #200
aucisson_masque wrote: post #181

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You seem to forget that Irak instability was a big part of the reason why we got to deal with ISIS in the first place. I say that ISIS was worst than Saddam.

ISIS also broke out of countries like Syria, which nobody messed with until after their civil war and the ISIS takeover. Which is to say that the problem isn’t the Iraq war - but Islam. It’s literally called ISIS - and you blame the US for it?

It would be good to read the wiki and understand what ISIS really was: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by [deleted] »

bjourne wrote: post #154
Almondsetat wrote: post #21

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At some point you have to decide: if my country is held back by a brutal dictatorial regime where civilians can't hope to topple it, is there anything else to do other than get external help?

Oh, please. If you think the majority of all Iranians are in favor of US-Israeli bombings of their home country, you're seriously smoking some potent propaganda.

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Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by [deleted] »

throwawayheui57 wrote: post #203
garbawarb wrote: post #50

To any Iranians of HN: how do you feel about the current situation, and what's the sentiment of Iranians abroad?

Iranian here! Lived most of my life inside Iran. I don't view US's actions as a favor to common Iranians. That's naive. No one wants war and bombing of civilians. Our misery is caused by a mix of religious extremism, theocracy and foreign intervention (in the past, Mossadegh, etc.) among other things. First and foremost I hold the regime responsible. For most of my life, I witnessed firsthand how they pushed us step…

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Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by bjourne »

nailer wrote: post #228
bjourne wrote: post #194

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Fleeing is seen as dishonorable in many parts of the Arab world. Remember the Israeli lies about how Yahya Sinwar dressed in women's clothes and were trying to cross the border to Egypt? In reality he was out in the field with his men killing Israeli soldiers. He died a brave death and Khamenei will now have died one too.

Iran isn’t an arab country.

Great, but that is nit-picking---I'm describing a cultural trait present in Iran which makes certain decisions seem irrational to Westerners.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by throwaway3060 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #217
throwaway3060 wrote: post #198

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I remember that the alternative has also unleashed hell on Earth for countless innocent people. At some point, you have to take the path that offers at least some hope for the future. To turn into something that has lost all hope - there is no fixing that.

How does blowing up schools offer hope for the future?

I've been hearing the school strike was an Iranian misfire, actually.
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