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Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by pjmlp »

powerclue wrote: post #249
pjmlp wrote: post #175

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Those semantics hide that game studios keep using Windows workstations, developing Windows games, creating kernel drivers, targeting Windows users as customers, and it is up to Valve to make those games run on SteamOS.

Seems like you moved the goalposts pretty far... Consumers using Linux has shot up pretty dramatically this year, at least in my social circles. I count at least a dozen, non technical friends who decided to drop windows. That number has been zero a year for decades. Game devs working in Linux is always a lagging indicator. Once there's a market share, they'll go there. Once it's the preferred os for people, you'll b…

Nope, they are still on the same spot, Proton isn't Linux gaming, is making Windows ecosystem available on Linux, because Valve has failed to provide enough value for game studios to target SteamOS natively.

Blender was a commercial product that became FOSS, with an existing customer base.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by stu2421 »

prmoustache wrote: post #142
vbezhenar wrote: post #91

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I don't want extensible software. KDE is terrible in that regards. They have miriads of options, that's too much for me. I want opinionated software. I don't like GNOME, but it's the lesser evil and I learned to deal with its issues. Also I don't like that KDE does not have its native launcher. I need to install some SDDE stuff which works under Xorg or something like that and looks ugly. Pretty weird stuff all that.…

> My ideal environment would be Windows 95-like WM with zero configuration options which just works out of the box the way I want. It doesn't exist, unfortunately. May be I should try to write is, as I complain about it so much. Just have no idea about scale of such a project. Have you ever tried Icewm?

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Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

wkat4242 wrote: post #241
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #81

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Do you personally go through every line of source code for your Linux distribution?

No but many people do. Try getting something by Linus and his kernel team lol. Good luck!

There have been many long live security issues that have been in popular open source software - including Linux

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by carlosjobim »

morkalork wrote: post #206
carlosjobim wrote: post #176

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And what happens when your bank or government portals decide that the only methods to access their services is through apps installed on trusted platforms?

You use another device for that. It has already happened. Many banks require that you verify through an iOS or Android app. But here we are talking about programming on a computer. In which way does the requirements of a bank or a government portal influence the way you can program on a MacOS, Windows or Linux device?

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by malfist »

vbezhenar wrote: post #91
KetoManx64 wrote: post #71

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It's pretty openly known that GNOME is hostile to its own userbase and their preferences,, why continue to use it instead of KDE or any of the other 10 DE environments?

I don't want extensible software. KDE is terrible in that regards. They have miriads of options, that's too much for me. I want opinionated software. I don't like GNOME, but it's the lesser evil and I learned to deal with its issues. Also I don't like that KDE does not have its native launcher. I need to install some SDDE stuff which works under Xorg or something like that and looks ugly. Pretty weird stuff all that.…

Help me understand your two posts. From your earlier post you don't like GNOME because it's make different choices about what to support, and here you're saying you don't like KDE because it isn't opinionated enough.

Is the problem that you don't want choices as long as the maintainers always makes the same choice you would have when taking options away?

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by gf000 »

wkat4242 wrote: post #237
gf000 wrote: post #37

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Privacy != Security We shouldn't be happy with the state of security on Linux, while simultaneously enjoying its privacy benefits.

For me privacy = security. If a company has access to my data without my -completely voluntary- consent, that's a security breach.

That makes no sense. Equality is commutative and security is most certainly not privacy. There are certain areas where a decision may help in case of both (e.g. simply not storing unnecessary data will decrease the scope of a real vulnerability), but that's not even remotely the same thing.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by notepad0x90 »

if this will work on a VM just fine, better than androidx86 I'm all for it.

There are many apps that don't need to be apps but are. I want to run them in a controlled/isolated VM. For a long time (still?) Signal wouldn't run unless you have an android/iphone app installed first for example.

Android laptops are already a thing. A lot of the hate Windows 11 is getting is because it is trying to compete with Android. And they're both placating to consumers' desires.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by jon_richards »

rock_artist wrote: post #183

We're now in a mixed computing era that is shaping the future of computing: Ignoring niche OSes (eg consumer electronics such as TVs/dishwashers/etc) - PC (Windows, Linux, macOS) - Mobile (to simplify, this includes phones, watches and ongoing AR / AI progress based around Android and iOS with some Meta) Mobile already "broke" the rules, and we have locked down devices with simplified "app stores" and more complex of…

Steam OS might get a boost soon with their new hardware.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by saubeidl »

snarfy wrote: post #207
liendolucas wrote: post #158

No one tech-savvy wants this. We are already sick of Google's Android lockdowns on mobile phones, and now coming after laptops and desktops? What's that going to be like? Will developers have to beg to have control over devices they own? Will we be locked down on the store and have to manually install "unverified" software? Will I be able to take screenshots at will on MY computer, or get a black screen because Googl…

I want the equivalent of wine/proton, nothing more.

That already exists: https://waydro.id/

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by tomrod »

Zak wrote: post #245
tomrod wrote: post #193

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Standards fill this gap, allowing for interoperation. When was the last time you had to write custom logic for your browser to access 99% of the domains you access?

I've certainly run into websites that were doing something nonstandard and my browser of choice didn't work as intended. Sometimes when I've complained to the site operator, they've told me that browser isn't supported. I can (and have) told them they should build to web standards rather than specific browsers, but they're only motivated to care if it impacts a large enough percentage of users. So markets determine t…

Working as intended is the functionality on the site, and I didn't claim everyone followed all standards. But given you had the correct address for the site, your browser captured the DNS resolution and pushed a content request to that particular site's server.
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