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Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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For all the complaints against Windows, legit or not, I can't envision a world in which I want the world's largest advertiser to run my desktop OS.

Pixels and Chromebooks have never had any ads. Windows 11 is plastered with them.

They already gateway everything through Google servers, especially Chromebooks.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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I don't think a mega corp having full access to my phone while me not having that is very "secure". Sure it's pretty ok against third parties but in my threat model Google and Apple are also adversaries. Microsoft too by the way. In my model my Linux pc is a lot more secure as there's no adversary having direct access and more control than me.

Do you personally go through every line of source code for your Linux distribution?

Do you do that for Android?

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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One of those things that makes so much sense it’s a wonder it didn’t happen sooner.

No thanks! It makes sense for them, not for us. Their rent seeking behavior, locking down of the OS and hardware and their hostility towards the FOSS mod community and users have all worsened lately. The only reason why they ever revisit such 'features' is a massive backlash from the community. Then again, history has shown that they try to smuggle them back in some other form. Desktop and laptop are the last standin…

I share your fears, but I think the premise itself is valid. The project should be done, but fully Open Source.

I'd love to have Android (well, GrapheneOS) style sand-boxing for every app, I'd love to have it's granular permissions for every service. I'd love to have the battery management, the unified settings UI, the effortless disk encryption UX, ect. Who's using power, who's using data, who accessed the microphone 10 minutes ago?

Could this all be re-implemented in a Linux distribution? Sure, SE Linux is there. But it would take a long time to get to the same level of UX, and almost certainly fracture across different desktop environments.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Is there any Android app that is worth using on a PC? Not being snarky, I cant see anything on Android being good enough for a desktop app that is used regularly. Most of the Android apps I use are the 'best of the worse' and I have to use them because there is no other options.

Tons. Top of my head: native OpenStreetMaps (with offline maps, support for GPS and compass, turn-by-turn navigation), every single transit app, banking apps, and - of course - the camera app.

The point about online banking is a bit dubious, but all my banks have decided that the Android app may conduct online banking alone, and it may verify a desktop session; but not the other way around.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

#156
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Hasn't it been heading in that direction for a while?

Not really.

Actually, yes:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25074959

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24838816

And this one got cancelled after a huge public outcry: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28309202. Also, Apple never said that it's fully cancelled.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Linux is better in every conceivable way

I can conceive a couple of ways.

GrapheneOS-style sand-boxing for every app is long overdue in Linux. I'd love to have it's granular permissions for every single service. I'd love to have the battery management, the unified settings UI, the effortless disk encryption UX and key management.

Could you build it with SE Linux and a lot of glue? Yes, but nobody has. And doing it well, everywhere, would take a lot of hours.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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No one tech-savvy wants this. We are already sick of Google's Android lockdowns on mobile phones, and now coming after laptops and desktops?

What's that going to be like? Will developers have to beg to have control over devices they own? Will we be locked down on the store and have to manually install "unverified" software? Will I be able to take screenshots at will on MY computer, or get a black screen because Google decides so?

The list can go on and on ad nauseam. Given what Google has done on the mobile space I have zero interest in having the same autocratic experience to be replicated on the last type of devices (PCs and laptops) where we can really have true open choices and alternatives. Screw them.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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This is an honest question, not trying to get into an argument... > I don't want extensible software. KDE is terrible in that regards. They have miriads of options, that's too much for me. Why not use the default provided then and take the defaults as opinionated? That's what I do actually. I might change very few options, but I generally use the defaults. It's not that you have to configure kde before it becomes usa…

Extensibility ~= extra complexity will necessarily increase the chance of bugs. In something as complex as a display stack this is an important tradeoff.

This is only true if complexity under the hood actually affects your default experience. I don't think it's the case for KDE. "The chance" is indeed higher, except in GNOME it seems the bugs are actually real.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Depends what you mean by security, if by security you mean sanboxing of apps sure, if by security you mean that you trust what's in your OS and you can control it, it's worse than desktop Linux. Security isn't just about technical features but also about trust, while I trust my Linux desktop, I don't trust my Android phone with the Play Store running as high privilege, advertising id in the OS and unknown manufacture…

But that's more like talking about a particular distro, like I wouldn't trust North Korea's Linux distro either, compared to Debian. Meanwhile something close to GrapheneOS running on desktop sounds fantastic.

Perhaps you may like Qubes OS.
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