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Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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> Burdens of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar-sweetened beverages in 184 countries https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-024-03345-4.pdf The data and the code used for the analysis appears to be available. ---- One of the reasons that we don't have Universal Healthcare in the US is that things that are categorically unhealthy would be prohibited from being sold. Afterall, it would ben…

> One of the reasons that we don't have Universal Healthcare in the US is that things that are categorically unhealthy would be prohibited from being sold.

Yeah that not it boss. Never did I come across something getting banned in France because of healthcare costs.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Aspartame is bad for your gut microbiome

Citation? Is this a normal soda consumption levels in humans or when feeding it to rats at some obscene rate? I'm not saying it is good for you, but we need facts not blind statements with no context.

I’m not an expert but a quick search leads me to:

> We identify NAS-altered microbial metabolic pathways that are linked to host susceptibility to metabolic disease, and demonstrate similar NAS-induced dysbiosis and glucose intolerance in healthy human subjects. Collectively, our results link NAS consumption, dysbiosis and metabolic abnormalities, thereby calling for a reassessment of massive NAS usage

I’d be glad to see the full paper

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25231862/

> normal soda consumption levels in humans

I note that "normal" here should be read as "common during the last 50years (or less)", where the last 50ears is quite reductive in human dietary habits.

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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About 15 years ago, I stopped drinking soda. Not out of a desire to be healthy or loose weight but simply because it dawned on me that for the same amount of sugar in one soft drink that I drink without any afterthought, I could enjoy a really good pastry that I can slowly savor. I do the same for fats. The way I look at it, I want to maximize the "enjoyment per kcalorie". :) More recently, I'm starting to apply this…

In most cases you could eat multiple pastries and still have significantly less sugar than a soda.

This depends if you consider all carbohydrates to be sugar or not. At the end of the day, the refined flours in the pastry are also sugar-equivalent.

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It's probably a risky line of thinking, if you're addicted to sugar, to substitute in some other source of sugar. Best to avoid pastries, lollipops and sugary sodas.

It's a risky way of thinking to reduce every act to a moral choice. ie I could have used the energy that I burned making this post, to hand out a dollar to a homeless person. Beyond how ridiculously reductive this becomes, it's impractical. You have to have carbs for your brain to run.

I agree with peers. Doesn’t Keto (for part of the year) worked for millennia for our ancestors?

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eh, Diet Coke is primarily water, aspartame, phosphoric acid and caffeine. I drink 5/6 of them a day (don't like water much). The paper linked actually says short term effects of diet soda are less problematic, but recent evidence suggests that aspartame may have harms on the microbiome and glucose tolerance generally. That said, the idea of drinking anything either sweet or carbonated before bed, during the night, o…

Have you ever tried plain carbonated water? It's more interesting than still water, and for me more thirst quenching. Easy to make at home with a Soda Stream or similar, just don't add any of their syrup.

alright fine, you win universe. SoftTalker, I'll drink more water ok?

Re: Type 2 Diabetes and cardiovascular disease attributable to sugar beverages

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Yet another article implying causation from association. The theory that sugar CAUSES diabetes type 2 fails when you look at people that eat a ton of carbs but keep the fats low: low fat vegans, fruitarians. Find one that's diabetic. They should be dropping like flies. But look at people that eat high fat >40% of calories, and the rest in carbs, and there you'll find the population of the metabolically compromised.

Can you please cite sources for your claims?

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It's probably a risky line of thinking, if you're addicted to sugar, to substitute in some other source of sugar. Best to avoid pastries, lollipops and sugary sodas.

It's a risky way of thinking to reduce every act to a moral choice. ie I could have used the energy that I burned making this post, to hand out a dollar to a homeless person. Beyond how ridiculously reductive this becomes, it's impractical. You have to have carbs for your brain to run.

No. You dont.

There are other metabolic pathways to produce glucose (or produce ketones). The other pathways ‘push’ the body more since they have to do some conversion. This ‘extra effort’ is considered to be more healthy.

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Mostly from own experience I know poor people drink sodas and as you get used to the taste you don’t like taste of plain water - even when you have decent tap water. As an adult I started drinking tap water and now I don’t like taste of sodas anymore. I am happy that I got over with it but still have some people I know stuck on sodas and disliking plain water taste.

I think "don't like the taste of water" accurately describes me. That being said I do have a rule of "never drink anything with calories" specifically to avoid the sugar. But I don't know what you plain water drinkers are on about, the added flavor tricks me into drinking way more than I would naturally. Humans have been constantly flavoring our water for thousands of years, I think the verdict is in that water taste…

Well exactly plain water doesn’t really have a taste so it is meh and requires getting used to.

Especially when all you drink are sweet sodas it is really hard to get used to plain water.

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Good for you. I think for meat especially, there's a difference between the stuff people talk about (like premium steaks they almost never eat) and the reality of what ends up on their plates which is a lot less glamorous. A typical fast food burger just isn't that great in terms of texture, taste, looks, etc. and IMHO almost always disappointingly unsatisfying and slightly uncomfortable afterwards. I'll eat that onc…

> Restaurants bulk out their dishes with carbs and they make things taste good by adding salt and fats. Anthony Bourdain wrote in Kitchen Confidential : “If you eat at any good restaurant, assume you've eaten a stick of butter.”

My brother worked for multiple (very) good restaurants here in France. I’m always super chocked when I see him throwing a good portion of the butter brick in almost any meal. His dishes are super delicious. His current restaurant is a a very good vegan one and he does the same with plant butter.

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I only ever drink coke when I'm mixing with whisky... not sure which one is worse...

I drink coke in very small dose, mixed with Fernet branca. And I know positively, that if somebody upvotes this, is coming from a very specific country, where I’ve been, where it is very popular :)

I do not think is so bad, as I drink it a couple of times a month (tops).

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