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“In a case related to the PostNord action, a court on 27 November ruled that the Swedish Transport Agency must find a way to get licence plates to Tesla. The agency has appealed against the decision.
Some Swedish pension funds have urged Tesla to sign the agreement with the union, but have so far held off from selling their shares.”
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Of course it's ridiculous. Unions have historically been key to helping equalize the power between employers and employees. Musk knows this and it's clear that he thinks of people working for his companies as peasants that only deserve what he's willing to dole out.
My wife owns a company, it boggles my mind how the employees underestimate their strength. They work for fractions and they are necessary for the company. If a worker knows an owner is desperate, the worker can win. The opposite is true too.
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But sympathy strikes goes further and now affects superchargers, offices and even Swedish suppliers to the gigafactory. Lucky for Musk that he picked a Finnish supplier for the Cybertruck steel…
> Lucky for Musk that he picked a Finnish supplier https://efe.com/en/economy/2023-12-07/finnish-union-will-be-...
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> Doesn't the union have a vote to decide these things This was decided by Seko's union board, the union that covers most PostNord and other delivery companies employees > PostNord says it can't force it's workers to do something It is illegal to prevent a strike, yes > So if it's not the workers decision it's PostNord's decision and that is very different It's the unions decision https://www-seko-se.translate.goog/p…
So what you're saying is the union is forcing them to not deliver to Tesla?
If you're a member of a union and the union says please don't do X, and you're aligned with the union, then you will be happy to not do X. This isn't a forceful action nor is it the workers decision, it's this greyish thing between the black and white. The members of the union could have a vote and change direction to do X if they wanted, but why would workers defend a company trying to get around a model that's resulted in one of the best working environments in the world?
Sounds like something he would like, in addition to his S,3,X,Y range of cars
Fuck these companies that think they can break the unions our former generations built for the purpose of being treated fair. Americans don't get it. We Scandinavians are not built on a cultural foundation which circles around creating our own safety nets. We are not lucky. We worked hard for it for hundreds of years. Same thing goes for Wolt or Uber etc. They are not welcome here if they can't treat workers by their…
No, you are lucky, because your ancestors worked hard for it for hundreds of years.
If only people in the US weren't cowards when it comes to Businesses, things would be much better.
Fuck these companies that think they can break the unions our former generations built for the purpose of being treated fair. Americans don't get it. We Scandinavians are not built on a cultural foundation which circles around creating our own safety nets. We are not lucky. We worked hard for it for hundreds of years. Same thing goes for Wolt or Uber etc. They are not welcome here if they can't treat workers by their…
Can you tell me more about the safety net thing? As an American I actually don’t understand that point. Are you saying culturally your family wouldn’t feel obligated to be a safety net if another family member was struggling? And that the unions defacto provide that sort of guarantee?
Simply put, when it comes to your work environment, healthcare, housing, ability to put food on the table and access essential services like water, electricity, internet etc. - there are systems in place to reduce risk and "surprises", ensure your survival and equip you with the ability to tackle general "stuff of life". That's (in part) also why we pay very high taxes.
This article uses the words "workers' decision" several times which sounds like individual workers are deciding to not deliver to Tesla. The truth is that a sympathy strike involves a union deciding to take industrial action against an organisation to support another unions industrial action. So these workers are legally striking against Tesla too, it's not just an ad hoc decision made by individuals. PostNord employ…
> a sympathy strike involves a union deciding to take industrial action against an organisation to support another unions industrial action Interestingly that's not quite what's happening either. The workers in question are not in a union. IF Metall is the union being supported, and merely wants to represent them (more correctly, they don't want a non-union shop operating in their market). Everyone is just nuts here.…
Some members of the Tesla servicing stations are members of a union but the numbers aren't public because an employer cannot ask who is in a union
> IF Metall is the union being supported and merely wants to represent them
Yes, IF Metall is the largest union for that type of work in Sweden. They do represent some employees.
> more correctly, they don't want a non-union shop operating in their market
Correct, no-one wants this because the entire labour system is built around collective agreements. Allowing companies to break these rules is bad.
> Tesla needs to just cut a deal here
Yep, or leave! Both works well, the only option that's not viable is to be allowed to break the Nordic/Swedish working model
> all for the "benefit" of 160 (or whatever) unrepresented workers
Some are represented
> who aren't even part of the story and don't seem to be asking for union representation or higher wages or anything
Again, Unions represent employees and all members of the company including non-union members can strike because it's illegal to ask or identify who is or isn't in a Union. Which is why this number of non-Union members is mostly made up rubbish by pro-Tesla sites, the number is unknown.
Fuck these companies that think they can break the unions our former generations built for the purpose of being treated fair. Americans don't get it. We Scandinavians are not built on a cultural foundation which circles around creating our own safety nets. We are not lucky. We worked hard for it for hundreds of years. Same thing goes for Wolt or Uber etc. They are not welcome here if they can't treat workers by their…
> We are not lucky. We worked hard for it for hundreds of years. No, you are lucky, because your ancestors worked hard for it for hundreds of years.
The country is not "lucky" because it happened upon a culture, it worked towards it.
The individual is lucky to be born bearing the fruits of that hard work. But that puts a duty on the individuals not to squander or destroy these hard won triumphs.