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Re: Issue dialing 911 on Google Pixel 6 cell phones

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Post by simfree »

emeril wrote: post #247
ipdashc wrote: post #238

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> (probably replaced by a data-only cellular modem) Isn't this kind of already the case? I thought past 4G there were no separate channels for call audio, it was effectively just VoIP

pretty sure that call audio gets much better prioritization for low latency (though at relatively low bandwidth) than higher bandwidth non-voice data?

The QCI (QoS Class Identifier) for carrier provided voice and video (Android only) calls is generally much higher than normal data, and carriers monitor call handoff reliability between towers, Mean Opinion Scores (MOS, a rating of the audio experience of each call), and device specific performance.

Re: Issue dialing 911 on Google Pixel 6 cell phones

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Post by Eleison23 »

Eleison23 wrote: post #157

In these United States, there are now two emergency numbers which can be dialed: 911 and 988, for mental health crises. The last time I removed the SIM from my Android phone, I tested 988; unsurprisingly I was not able to contact the service because the phone denied access. If your phone doesn't recognize 988 as a bona fide, legitimate emergency number, it's time to request a firmware update. 988 has been years in th…

I must qualify this by pointing out that I have mixed feelings about the 988 line.

It streamlines the hospital pipeline for committing people who are DTS/DTO (5150) status, and let me tell you, that is an easy status to earn or gain.

The hospitals profit immensely from admitting mental patients in a way that jails and police don't profit from locking up people who act crazy.

Every time there is a mass shooting in these United States, the Legislature swoops in and throws more cash-money at mental health programs. Therefore more mass shootings will tangibly "improve" your mental health care (if improvement is gained from larger budgets) and the more insurance money available, the more crazies they can lock up and the longer they can hold you in the hospital "just to make sure" you're responding well to treatment and that you'll be a permanent customer after your release.

So call 988 at your own peril, because the mental health system is a roach motel for many of us. Welcome to the Hotel California.

Re: Issue dialing 911 on Google Pixel 6 cell phones

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Post by throwaway290 »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #186
throwaway290 wrote: post #182

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I merely clarified what the downvoted comment's author meant so that those who reflexively started to argue with it would see they are actually in agreement on substance if they gave it any thought. Talk about generous interpretation and anal reflexiveness. > a phone that bulges and physically explodes is as dangerous as not being to reliably summon emergency services. If you are putting forth that a phone exploding…

They said the title was clickbait. You're saying it's illogical. The latter is an incorrect claim, and you're the one making it.

As I tried to explain, the title is misrepresenting reality in the direction of exaggeration. Which is probably the definition of clickbait, so the original commenter is not wrong.

Re: Issue dialing 911 on Google Pixel 6 cell phones

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Post by xenadu02 »

constantcrying wrote: post #84
fallingknife wrote: post #59

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Wouldn't this be an easy fix? Just have any emergency number dialed automatically kill all 3rd party apps before sending the call.

That should really not be neccessary and potentially a user might want to use third party applications during an emergency call. (Imagine having saved the medication a relative receives on your device) The OS has near complete authority over the device. If a user dials an emergency number android has to choose to give it to a third party app and that should never happen. (I am also not sure that it would be a fix at…

Shouldn't the OS fallback to the cellular system for emergency calls if whatever provider is registered fails to start the call?

Re: Issue dialing 911 on Google Pixel 6 cell phones

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Post by jemmyw »

wpietri wrote: post #161
hilbert42 wrote: post #147

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"The way I see it, this just moves the responsibility for safety to the manufacturers instead of the network." Perhaps so in the current circumstances, but ultimately it is the responsibly of the regulators to ensure the emergency numbers work. As witnessed here, a number of commentators seem to have forgotten that their smartphones are first and foremost are telephones and not playtoy computers. Unfortunately, the c…

> their smartphones are first and foremost are telephones and not playtoy computers I don't think that's true. A few years back when I was comparing phones, many reviews don't even mention how good they are at making calls. Both Millennials and Gen Z are notably phone-averse. [1][2] I think a modern smartphone is a portable network computer/camera/sensor-package, with the telephone bit being something like the human…

Yes this. I've always disliked phone calls, especially with strangers. All service stuff should be accessible via SMS or email unless it's urgent. Then I can send and forget and they can reply when they're ready. No fumbling to get to the calendar that's on the same device you're trying up speak into.

Re: Issue dialing 911 on Google Pixel 6 cell phones

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Post by Dylan16807 »

throwaway290 wrote: post #253
Dylan16807 wrote: post #186

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They said the title was clickbait. You're saying it's illogical. The latter is an incorrect claim, and you're the one making it.

As I tried to explain, the title is misrepresenting reality in the direction of exaggeration. Which is probably the definition of clickbait, so the original commenter is not wrong.

But you also went too far in your criticism of the title.

Re: Issue dialing 911 on Google Pixel 6 cell phones

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Post by MichaelZuo »

cycomanic wrote: post #141
MichaelZuo wrote: post #93

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I'm fairly certain European networks can deny roaming at any time to any specific out-of network phone without giving a formal reason.

I would assume that will run afoul of EU regulations which forced the providers to enable roaming without additional costs. If providers could just deny roaming phones they could use that to circumvent the regulations (which are unpopular with network operators).

I don't see how it could be?

In the case of a phone with defective emergency calling software/firmware/hardware they must have a means of detecting and blocking such phones from making spurious calls, right?

If they already have this capacity in place then detecting and blocking out-of-network phones from roaming should be trivial.

Re: Issue dialing 911 on Google Pixel 6 cell phones

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Post by throwaway290 »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #256
throwaway290 wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I tried to explain, the title is misrepresenting reality in the direction of exaggeration. Which is probably the definition of clickbait, so the original commenter is not wrong.

But you also went too far in your criticism of the title.

I don't think there's a reason to pursue this but I can't see how this is too far.

I wrote:

> title implies "911 doesn't ring sometimes" ∈ "very scary issue dialing 911", that is incorrect

to summarize why the downvoted comment said the title is clickbait. (As in, it’s a scary issue with the phone, but if we limit to the domain of issues when dialing 911 then 'not ringing sometimes' is not scary, it's mundane.)

Re: Issue dialing 911 on Google Pixel 6 cell phones

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Post by Dylan16807 »

throwaway290 wrote: post #258
Dylan16807 wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you also went too far in your criticism of the title.

I don't think there's a reason to pursue this but I can't see how this is too far. I wrote: > title implies "911 doesn't ring sometimes" ∈ "very scary issue dialing 911", that is incorrect to summarize why the downvoted comment said the title is clickbait. (As in, it’s a scary issue with the phone , but if we limit to the domain of issues when dialing 911 then 'not ringing sometimes' is not scary, it's mundane.)

And it is wrong to insist that "scary" must be interpreted relative to that domain. Being scary in the domain of phone use, then noting the specific time it occurs, is fine.

And you didn't just say it could mislead, you called it illogical, and that's not right. You're being pedantic about a rule you made up.

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