The dissolution of Apple’s legacy design team

Post by unsafecast » Sun, Jun 19, 2022, 1:00 PM UTC

jiggawatts wrote: post #153

stephc_int13 wrote: post #105

In my opinion, the work Ive did at Apple is greatly over rated. Yes it is clean and minimalist, and some devices like the iPhone 4 were truly innovative, bold and impressive designs. But overall, this is mostly bland, generic, boring. In the same minimalist style, I prefer the work of Dieter Rams. Some Sony products have really good design, including devices that were released a few years before the iPhone, but that…

Citing IBM as good at design makes this read like a parody. Everything IBM does is so hilariously ugly in the least imaginative, boring, industrial way that they’ve gone through “boxy” into some other universe where it’s almost — but not quite — good style. For crying out loud, everything they make is black . There are famous Apple ads deriding the bland corporate look of IBM!

Post by virgildotcodes » Sun, Jun 19, 2022, 1:14 PM UTC

SllX wrote: post #200

urthor wrote: post #188

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They'll fix that in a few years. I suspect Ive was fired because he created the craziness of 2012-2017 post Jobs era. Trashcan, no ports, touch bar, mouse charging etc etc. These days I have moderate confidence Apple will fix its issues. Eventually.

Let’s be fair: Apple has had sufficient time to revise all of these post-Jobs Ive-era designs. Ive himself was still in charge when the trash can hit the bin, and they’ve more or less fixed the port situation on most of their models (I still have disagreements with some of their choices but we can at least say they’re debatable now). But they just released a revision of the 13” MacBook Pro with the touchbar. And whil…

Post by kayodelycaon » Sun, Jun 19, 2022, 1:18 PM UTC

chrisseaton wrote: post #64

can16358p wrote: post #56

I really loved the design of the Touch Bar/Butterfly keyboard visually. It would have been great if: - They kept the butterfly but completely solved the failure problem. - Supported Touch Bar with actual haptic feedback that could really be used "professionally" as in a Pro device. It could at best become a gimmick, but if played right, had great potential. - Had a simplified thin chassis with less ports. I really do…

I used the old Touch Bar in my profession daily - used it for debugging command shortcuts.

Post by throw0101a » Sun, Jun 19, 2022, 1:50 PM UTC

the_af wrote: post #208

psaux wrote: post #152

There is a lot to digest in this piece. Work environments are very dynamic and context and time-in-point is very important. I did not see this behavior, but I was not part of that group at Apple. I worked with Jony after we were acquired. The original Siri linen background was his idea, the bubbles had to be perfect, the padding, the text size, the lists goes on. I inferred this as design obsession and did not find i…

> “not all ideas make the cut, even the best ones” I'm not sure I understand. If the best ideas don't make the cut, which ones do? Or was Jony acknowledging a flaw in Apple's process?

Post by somewhereoutth » Sun, Jun 19, 2022, 3:26 PM UTC

refurb wrote: post #247

makeitdouble wrote: post #244

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There's a lot of nuance as usual. Firing you over provably true statements or things you said strictly as a private individual can have harsher consequences for the company (you can be let go but they'd need to pay a pretty heavy severance) I am not a lawyer, but I'd expect you'd need to be revealing company secrets, or have a public speaking position in the first place (e.g. you work for PR) and your declarations ma…

Use the example in the article. You basically write a letter to your fellow employees saying (I’ll paraphrase) “im outta here because the talents and ideas that made this place successful are gone”. Can you do that in Europe and face no consequences?