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Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by dogma1138 »

anarchogeek wrote: post #27

What about inmutable systems? My app (using scuttlebutt) creates an 'account' but it's located as crypto keys only within the app and apple keychain. So far the apple reviewers refused to believe that it works like. It's open source, they've got the code... but still.... Same is true for anything crypto. The account as it were exists on many devices, but it's not something you as the app creator can manage. I think a…

It’s the same as trying adhering to RTBF/GDPR with a blockchain or any other immutable data store… Your design decisions need to match the regulatory or other commercial / situational requirements.

But in your case I’m not sure what exactly is the problem other than Apple doesn’t believe you… you can still delete the account it’s just deleted locally.

And you may be required to delete any server side identifiers if such exist.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by nightfly »

_fat_santa wrote: post #245

How is this supposed to work for insurance or banking apps? I would think those companies separate your "online account" from your actual account with them or something like that. I guess more generally how will this affect apps where "deleting your account" is a complicated affair (insurance, banking, mobile service, utilities, etc).

> If your app supports account creation, you must also offer account deletion within the app.

Insurance and banks probably aren't affected, since your account is created outside of the app

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by oauea »

floatingatoll wrote: post #225
murgindrag wrote: post #131

As much as I like the change, the 3-month window seems unreasonable. I don't currently have AppStore apps, and these kinds of whiplash changes are part of the reason. Microsoft, for all its faults, is much better than Apple or Google here. Businesses take planning and strategy, and these things lead to drop-everything fires. Economies rely on stability.

Apple considers 3 months their standard level of advance notice, with WWDC serving as your warning and the release of iOS in September as the go-live date. However, in this case, they have ended up giving you 6 months and a courtesy reminder. If you aren’t interested in maintaining your app annually, don’t publish apps on Apple’s store. Whether or not their level of notice is enough, they’ve been consistent for years…

Yet another developer-hostile apple policy. Amazing. You have to be crazy to stake your company on apple's goodwill at this point.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by tediousdemise »

I think the right to be forgotten is spelled out in plain terms. If you have my data, and I don't want you to have it, that's the line in the sand. With a few exceptions (such as data decentralization), data is trivial to delete. The problem is that businesses and governments don't want to delete data, because data is knowledge, and knowledge is power.

Example: You are a typical business. A fire completely destroys all of your data, including financial data. If the IRS comes knocking for financial records, you have an excellent reason for why you cannot provide it - force majeure. A law protecting the right of a human to be forgotten should be treated the same as a fire. You do not question it, and should forcefully comply.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by oauea »

dathinab wrote: post #249

From the guidelines: > (v) Account Sign-In: If your app doesn’t include significant account-based features, let people use it without a login. If your app supports account creation, you must also offer account deletion within the app. Apps may not require users to enter personal information to function, except when directly relevant to the core functionality of the app or required by law. If your core app functionali…

Because apple applies one set of policies to you and me, and another set of policies to the bigcorps. See the leaked messages from the epic lawsuit where apple execs talk about netflix's iap cut.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by LegitShady »

dathinab wrote: post #249

From the guidelines: > (v) Account Sign-In: If your app doesn’t include significant account-based features, let people use it without a login. If your app supports account creation, you must also offer account deletion within the app. Apps may not require users to enter personal information to function, except when directly relevant to the core functionality of the app or required by law. If your core app functionali…

>So why is Facebook still allowed? It still creates shadow profiles without permissions as far as I know.

Maybe because the app itself isn't doing it? I'm not sure what "apps that" vs using the information the app gives you are really different but in technical detail it might be.

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Post by xxs »

nightski wrote: post #96
jeroenhd wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why using the blockchain got user data is such a stupid idea. The immutability makes it impossible to redact or remove information, even if that information is encrypted. The same is true foor P2P services where there is no central accounting system. Deleting the account shouldn't be a problem if all the "account" info is stored on the device itself, so if your reviewers aren't completely incompetent I don't…

Hate to break it to you but banks are not deleting your account immediately when you close it. They legally can't.

Yes, pretty much anything that has anything to do with anti-money laundering takes 7 to 10 years to even consider forgetting your account.

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Post by xxs »

fuddle wrote: post #176
nightski wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hate to break it to you but banks are not deleting your account immediately when you close it. They legally can't.

Can confirm, I worked at a fintech company previously with a large number of users. They had a "deleted_at" column on the user table in the database. It's not actually deleted.

The company needs 7 to 10 years of audit info. Of course they cannot 'delete' any account.

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Post by oauea »

dwaite wrote: post #147
MrStonedOne wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple didn't have to lock users out of installing "unapproved" apps on their own. That isn't for the user's benefit and isn't necessary for apple to have a curated app store.

What would the alternative be - the method of installation is the App Store, and Apple's compliance was removing the public and private presence from the App Store within that country.

Just allow sideloading. It's not hard to not block that. But apple is hell-bent on collecting every cent they can, so of course all app installations must go through their walled garden where they can take their 30%. Anti-consumer behavior at its finest.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by 6nf »

jackson1442 wrote: post #99
8note wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I should be able to tell my credit card company that I'm ending a subscription, and have them be in charge of notifying the provider that the subscription has been terminated

I think my bank does this, when I called for another reason this week there was an option on the phone menu to stop a recurring payment.

I've done this using my credit card company (not the bank) and they were very helpful. I explained why I wanted them to stop the recurring payment and they asked if I wanted to dispute any of the older charges, took less than 5 minutes. I call the 'fraud/disputes' phone number on the back of my card for this and I think that is not the bank, I think it's Visa / Mastercard themselves.
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