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Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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For the most part a very good thing. Wonder what that means for third-party HN client apps though, since HN accounts cannot be deleted.

From the message:

> ...all apps that allow for account creation must also allow users to initiate deletion...

So any third-party client that allows creating an HN account would need to stop. (Are there any?)

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Wonder if this can be used to unsubscribe from The NY Times?

I heard you can change your address to California, which then gives the option to cancel online (due to state law). It is absolutely ridiculous that NYT will happily take your card info online, but require you to be on hold to speak with their "customer care" to cancel. Maybe it is time to use virtual CC's a la privacy.com.

That’s every newspaper online. And gym memberships. And many others. Easy to get, pain in the ass to end.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Wonder if this can be used to unsubscribe from The NY Times?

This is mostly an internet meme, I subscribed and cancelled from the NYT many times without an issue with their online chat.

I think the problem is that it requires chatting live with someone who's job it is to prevent you from cancelling in the first place. If you can sign up in two clicks you should be able to cancel in two clicks.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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For the most part a very good thing. Wonder what that means for third-party HN client apps though, since HN accounts cannot be deleted.

I hope third-party clients are not forced to, because making the delete API private would be a great opportunity to indirectly ban them.

Edit: it's only for apps that allow account creation. If you expose the API for account management to third-parties, it would make sense to include account deletion.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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I remember that roughly 5 or 6 years ago, when I wanted them to delete my apple id, I had to call them. On the phone. And the guy told me, "if we delete your apple id, you will not be able to sign up with this mail again". I only realized after hanging up how little sense this makes.

It makes perfect sense, in order to prevent someone else from registering your old @icloud.com email address and impersonating you or performing password resets.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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What about inmutable systems? My app (using scuttlebutt) creates an 'account' but it's located as crypto keys only within the app and apple keychain. So far the apple reviewers refused to believe that it works like. It's open source, they've got the code... but still....

Same is true for anything crypto. The account as it were exists on many devices, but it's not something you as the app creator can manage.

I think apple protecting privacy is good, but the effect on actually private systems is complicated.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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The problem is that Apple has absolutely no way to enforce the deletion. An app can say "your account is deleted" but not actually delete any data off their servers. What would really give users the control they deserve is the ability to restrict what data can be sent off the device by an app in the first place. Apple should make it possible to deny internet access to an app entirely, and they should provide an API t…

The test for that problem will be seeing what happens when one of these apps get breached. Unless Apple is willing to terminate developer accounts when it comes out that app makers are not actually deleting anything, this is completely toothless.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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I remember that roughly 5 or 6 years ago, when I wanted them to delete my apple id, I had to call them. On the phone. And the guy told me, "if we delete your apple id, you will not be able to sign up with this mail again". I only realized after hanging up how little sense this makes.

Presumably to prevent someone from hijacking accounts.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Wonder if this can be used to unsubscribe from The NY Times?

Subscribing through the NY Times iOS app already solves that problem I think, there’s no need to delete your account, just go to the Apple subscriptions management page and end the subscription.
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