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Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by jka »

pmontra wrote: post #124
darksaints wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple taking on this issue is worthy of respect, but let's not pretend that Apple respects all user consent. They're constantly forcing things on their users with thinly veiled justifications like "security".

I wonder if Apple is in a sort of competition with Facebook. Probably they are competing for engineers, Messenger / WhatsApp vs iMessage, time spent on Facebook content vs on Apple content and other things I'm missing. On the other side they benefitted from the popularity of Facebook (and many other internet properties companies) because they gave an extra reason to people to buy smartphones and using them a lot.

Your description "a sort of competition" seems an accurate way to describe it, in my opinion.

They're both huge companies whose largest risk of disruption comes not from the marketplace (they can monitor, acquire and influence challengers), but from regulators. The appearance of competition helps both companies to reduce that risk.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by srcreigh »

yawaworht1978 wrote: post #11

Apple should be applauded for this. Their revenue does not depend on software to clandestinely steal and sell users data. One day, we will look back at history and see facebook similar as to how people view myspace now (junkyard of software). Good on Apple not selling devices with a facebook backdoor in them. I know apple probably has deals with malicious governments regarding data access, but at least they are stand…

Don't forget that ~5% of Apple's revenue is a payment from Google to be default search engine.

I still haven't heard anything about a privacy consent screen regarding the default Google search box.

Can't fix the whole world all at once, but Apple is not uncompromising in their privacy stance by any means.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by mgreg »

simonh wrote: post #231
executive wrote: post #208

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But they'll gladly take ~$12 Bn/year to have Google as Safari default search provider.

Well, they still need a search provider, a lot of people would change it to Google anyway. Arguably locking down the browser to limit tracking as much as possible is reasonable even though it potentially makes that Google deal less lucrative. If they were intent on monetising users data, you’d expect them to make a deal with Google to allow tracking in Safari in exchange for a higher fee for default search. In other…

But apple (and Android) allowing search providers to bid/buy that default spot is a barrier to entry for new search providers and only makes the dominant search provider stronger. How could a new Google emerge today when people lazily accept the default? When Google started there was not built in browser default - users had to manually type in altavista.com or google.com.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by rkangel »

mokus wrote: post #3

The fact that Facebook appears to consider user consent an existential threat to their business model tells me everything I need to know about them right now.

> The fact that Facebook appears to consider user consent an existential threat to their business model tells me everything I need to know about them right now.

They see it as the beginning of a slippery slope. And I hope they're right!

The concept of social media and living our lives on the internet is new, in the scale of things. The last ~10 years have been like the period of time where the sun goes in but the thermostat hasn't noticed yet. Now people have decided they don't like being cold (having their data harvested) and are pushing back.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by edoceo »

samstave wrote: post #200
Spooky23 wrote: post #84

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It's really weird. I don't think the "threat" is the obvious one... Nobody trusts Facebook -- many, if not most, people honestly believe they listen to their conversations already. The real message is how emotional and immature the leadership is to a perceived slight. A message that said "Cigarettes will kill you" didn't stop smokers, and some label won't stop Facebook users or meaningfully impact Facebook. Hell, whe…

Given the fact that the 5 C-suite execs have escape hatches from their bullet proof offices to SUVs below, and the remainder of the 3,000 engineers are in an open space just tells you what those people value.

Really? Escape hatches?

Edit: Ok. Maybe https://news.yahoo.com/mark-zuckerberg-reportedly-escape-hat...

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by reaperducer »

mhoad wrote: post #169
antattack wrote: post #64

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Apple just wants to be exclusive gateway to Apple customers. We are a product to both companies, even if Apple appears the lesser evil.

You know it really isn’t that obvious to me at all and I think Facebook is a genuine cancer on society. But everyone seems to conveniently forget about the absolute moral nightmare that is Apple’s supply chain. Remember when they had to put up nets to stop people from killing themselves? [1] What about when they were accused of using literal slave labour? [2] Or the time they actively lobbied Congress when a vote cam…

everyone seems to conveniently forget about the absolute moral nightmare that is Apple’s supply chain

No, everyone hasn't. Apple has its problems, too, and nobody denies that. But arguments like yours amount to no more than "Hey, look over there! Don't look at Facebook, look at this other thing!"

Deflection. Whataboutism. Call it what you will.

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Post by czbond »

rising-sky wrote: post #233
czbond wrote: post #125

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I wholly internalized that there was a real problem when I started taking my phone to other parts of the house, placing it in a drawer before returning and shutting the door to have an in person conversation with someone.

I'm not sure why this is getting down-voted, but I think the point here is the _fact_ that you have been put in a situation where, as an individual, you are concerned enough to do this is telling, crazy or not

You are right on - the fact that I even needed to think about whether I should have to be concerned with it is where I was headed.

Devices do listen to all sounds to listen for their "prompt" - how do I know what is actually discarded? And with precedence, I don't think it is 'crazy'.

Example: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/25/614470096...

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Post by the-dude »

icedistilled wrote: post #127
yawaworht1978 wrote: post #11

Apple should be applauded for this. Their revenue does not depend on software to clandestinely steal and sell users data. One day, we will look back at history and see facebook similar as to how people view myspace now (junkyard of software). Good on Apple not selling devices with a facebook backdoor in them. I know apple probably has deals with malicious governments regarding data access, but at least they are stand…

It's already like myspace. Facebook is giving me super trashy friend suggestions of random foreign women with slightly suggestive pictures, and aside from my demographic I can't think of anything I've personally done on or off the internet which would make them good friend suggestions.

Have you tried?

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by meetups323 »

Loughla wrote: post #187
iscrewyou wrote: post #12

It’s so hard to feel bad for Facebook. They’ve made shadow profiles for non-Facebook users for crying out loud! But they are really going out of their way to oppose Apple on this move. The burger restaurant clip in the audio...couldn’t they still target users just based on interests? And not actually linking those interests to a specific person? And on the other hand, I don’t hear much from Google.

I heard the burger lady on npr this morning. I can't get that article to load, so I'm hoping they address how she knows that 90% of her business comes from facebook, and how hyper targeted ads are more effective than just geo-located tags. It seems like ads for her business would be good for users within 'x' number of miles/blocks/whatever of her business, and not necessarily based on their interests, correct?

Helps to target appropriate income level and past food habits (i.e. don't waste money showing ads to folks that cook at home 95% of the time)
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