About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store • Hacker News Board

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by zepto » Mon, Nov 09, 2020, 2:13 AM UTC

echelon wrote: post #246

zepto wrote: post #235

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No. You just need to not buy an Apple product. Apple is a friend of people who want a curated store. There are other options for those who don’t.

> You just need to not buy an Apple product. Consumer behavior won't change Apple. We need the strong arm of the DOJ to tell Apple not to do this. > Apple is a friend Apple is not a friend of anybody. They're a for-profit company.

I’m not suggesting consumer behavior should change Apple.

I’m suggesting that consumers should buy a product that that suits their needs.

If you need alternate stores - buy Android.

There is no reason at all for Apple to be forced to do anything.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by ethbr0 » Mon, Nov 09, 2020, 2:14 AM UTC

metiscus wrote: post #226

CompuHacker wrote: post #181

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It'll take you a lot longer to violate intellectual property law with the stock calculator.

I guess it depends on definitions - you can just type in the AACS number if the calculator has enough digits.

Were one so inclined, anyone comfortable with embedded programming and electronics could make an arbitrary calculator perform the critical decryption calculation.

It would be slow as hell, but it's proof of the underlying theme: attempting to ban general purpose computing is insane.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by steve_taylor » Mon, Nov 09, 2020, 2:14 AM UTC

I hope play.js isn’t next. It lets users install packages from npmjs.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by echelon » Mon, Nov 09, 2020, 2:16 AM UTC

zepto wrote: post #251

echelon wrote: post #246

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> You just need to not buy an Apple product. Consumer behavior won't change Apple. We need the strong arm of the DOJ to tell Apple not to do this. > Apple is a friend Apple is not a friend of anybody. They're a for-profit company.

I’m not suggesting consumer behavior should change Apple. I’m suggesting that consumers should buy a product that that suits their needs. If you need alternate stores - buy Android. There is no reason at all for Apple to be forced to do anything.

> There is no reason at all for Apple to be forced to do anything.

Apple impacts businesses, consumers, engineers - multiple industries - with their bad behavior.

Apple has an illegal platform and it must be regulated. They've captured 50% of the United States computing market and illegally inserted themselves as middleman into every transaction, every software install. They punish everyone trying to do business and make engineers dance through flaming hoops.

Apple has become their own banana republic. Anticompetitive and illegal.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by jackson1442 » Mon, Nov 09, 2020, 2:19 AM UTC

jshen wrote: post #180

I’ve been all in on Apple for about 15 years, but have been slowly moving away as it gets harder to use their products for development and power usage. Got a windows laptop recently, and the developer experience is much better than Mac OS which surprised me. Thinking about getting a surface pro to replace my iPad for traveling. Edit: the only thing that keeps me on the iPhone right now is that their hardware (chips i…

Make sure to grab one of the more mature Surface lines. My original Surface Pro had bad thermals; melted the adhesive for the display off. Friend had a Surface Book 1 snap in his bag, and another friend had a Surface Pro X die on him ~2 weeks after buying it.

Interestingly enough, all these issues only happened on the first version of each product line.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by askmike » Mon, Nov 09, 2020, 2:19 AM UTC

gameswithgo wrote: post #159

l3s2d wrote: post #89

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Absolutely. As much as I dislike Apple, their ecosystem works for them and their users. Unfortunately the general public isn't aware of the restrictions imposed on them until it matters, like when their screen is broken and they can't pay $$$ for a first party repair. We need regulation coining and enforcing accurate terminology for the relationship between vendors like Apple and Tesla, and their users. It's not owne…

Of course their ecosystem works for their users, those of us it doesn't work for have left. We are just encouraging the rest of you who actually enjoy computers to leave too, and warning app developers to avoid that platform if your app is actually interesting or if a lot of people's careers ride on it, since who knows what apple may decide is not acceptable in the future.

I'm sitting here as a developer, contemplating if my next phone should be an iPhone or Android - and this is the gist of what I think:

- If I buy an Apple I buy into this developer unfriendly ecosystem with a big gatekeeper.

- If I buy an Android I pay with all my privacy, on top of that Google is also a big bully to small app developers.

- Besides Google or Apple, what choices are there?

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by peterkelly » Mon, Nov 09, 2020, 2:22 AM UTC

ratww wrote: post #233

pshc wrote: post #192

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Exactly! When I’m on my phone I want to use the internet, take pictures, use banking apps, access email and Dropbox, and watch video. That’s mostly it. I don’t expect or want to be productive, as security is more important.

> use banking apps Coming from a country where at some point the only way to have internet banking was to install an impossible-to-uninstall rootkit in my own machine that fucked up accessibility, messed up Steam and made it impossible for me from using competitors (because other banks needed incompatible rootkits), iOS being the way it is makes a lot of sense. I once had to spend a whole weekend untangling the mess…

South Korea/Windows XP?

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by arvinsim » Mon, Nov 09, 2020, 2:23 AM UTC

zepto wrote: post #237

ratww wrote: post #145

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The people complaining are developers, while the ones purchasing and defending it are users or are doing so from the point of view of users.

Developers don’t have to purchase Apple products or develop for Apple products either.

What? You need an Apple machine to use Xcode.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by hda2 » Mon, Nov 09, 2020, 2:24 AM UTC

zepto wrote: post #250

ethbr0 wrote: post #248

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> people who want a curated store This is a straw man. Support allowing users to add alternate stores on iOS devices. Having one choice is not freedom. And it has nothing to do with curration. If Apple's model is superior, then their app store will win against fair competition .

It’s not a straw man. I don’t want my non-technical family members being persuaded to install other stores. It is absolutely a feature, and a beneficial one at that, which many people want. As for Apple allowing people to install other stores - why should they? Why not just buy an Android phone if you want that feature.

> I don’t want my non-technical family members being persuaded to install other stores.

Frankly, that's not your decision to make.

If they own the device, they get to decide. If they don't or are too young, then you can use various controls (i.e parental controls) to lock your devices down the way you want.

This is a straw man.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by ethbr0 » Mon, Nov 09, 2020, 2:25 AM UTC

zepto wrote: post #250

ethbr0 wrote: post #248

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> people who want a curated store This is a straw man. Support allowing users to add alternate stores on iOS devices. Having one choice is not freedom. And it has nothing to do with curration. If Apple's model is superior, then their app store will win against fair competition .

It’s not a straw man. I don’t want my non-technical family members being persuaded to install other stores. It is absolutely a feature, and a beneficial one at that, which many people want. As for Apple allowing people to install other stores - why should they? Why not just buy an Android phone if you want that feature.

Ease of technical support for your family doesn't merit enslaving iOS users and developers.