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If a trans person is mentally ill, you should not perform on him or her an irreversible surgery that removes healthy body parts. The incorrect beliefs are the problem, not the genitals. You would not "confirm" the beliefs of an anorexic that she is fat when she is not.
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In New York City you can literally wear anything and no one will say a word or acknowledge your existence as a human being. But I also knew a boy from rural Texas who was regularly harassed and beaten growing up because he wore athletic clothes (Adidas track suits) instead of cowboy boots and 10-gallon hats.
I grew up in the 90s in rural Texas and never owned western attire and was just fine. Your friend is overstating the role of clothing in his experience I suspect.
It is a big country, which is the point of the retelling. (Not intending to throw shade on Texas)
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Trans people in general were largely ignored by research until the 2010s, so there's very little we do know at this point. But as for unresearched hunches... There's lots of jokes in the trans community about how your stereotypical trans girl is on the autism spectrum, with rainbow-colored hair, and into kink, anime, and programming. I think there's more of a willingness to challenge societal expectations of us in th…
> ...and the expectations placed on me when I lived as a boy felt stifling and exhausting I don't find that as extremely as you've given it here, but I do know what you mean and I'm a bog-standard cis male. But I never fitted in, never understood the blokey stuff - or maybe I did, but blokes take their nature (which are different from women, no doubt) and then push it to extremes[0] (you like to go out? Great! We mus…
It's well documented that autistic individuals are having difficulties resolving or tolerating emotionally conflicting situations. If a male non-autist has girlish interests, he might be proud of his uniqueness and thereby accept it as part of himself. For a male autist, the socially conflicting girlish interests will be much more painful, thereby driving a higher percentage of autists to resolve the conflict by adju…
As a trans non-autist who grew up embracing a uniquely girly personality (and was accepted by friends and family as just being uncommonly feminine) I can say that this did not reduce the impact of gender dysphoria. Especially after looking at the community at large, I believe these are entirely unrelated issues.
As such, I disagree with you that trans and autism are unrelated issues, because the paper measured a correlation. It's just that nobody knows in which direction the effect goes.
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When they have become what they want, they quite well look male/female so you don't have to remember anything. Indeed, you'd have to make an effort to get it wrong. If they are transitioning they're very forgiving of genuine mistakes. Your links don't support your position - did you read them yourself? "Good News: Law Penalizing “Misgendering” with Hefty Fine and/or Jail Time being Legally Challenged" (california) "M…
>Your links don't support your position My position is that it's stupid, and I was illustrating that there are forces that want to make it illegal. And they have succeeded in some places. The Canadian Bill C16 is one example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Act_to_amend_the_Canadian_H... >I don't think you actually know any TG people. And I think you have no basis for making that assumption. You are wrong.
Yep, in the context of a hate crime. Not standalone. Seems reasonable.
I don't think you read the link you posted. To quote from it
" Speaking for the [Canadian Bar Association], the President, [...] made explicit the protections for transgender people which were already contained in the prohibition on discrimination based on sexual orientation; and did not pose any risk to freedom of expression"
So it's about discrimination, and freedom of expression is not affected. Further
"Peterson argued that the law would classify the failure to use preferred pronouns of transgender people as hate speech. According to legal experts, including law professors Brenda Cossman of the University of Toronto and Kyle Kirkup of the University of Ottawa, not using preferred pronouns would not meet legal standards for hate speech"
So getting him/her wrong is not hate speech, so... problem?
What I'm getting from you is anger+fear, and what I'm not getting is why treating TGs decently bother you so much.
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I think it depends on how they maintain their social circle. If they spend most of their time in online communities, it'd be easy to surround themselves with people telling them how brave and beautiful they are for transitioning. Abigail Shrier said that one of the trans people she interviewed said that after Katelyn Jenner transitioned and being trans became more "popular", they would regularly have strangers approa…
> how brave they are for being trans Doesn't this confirm my point? Why is it brave to be trans? It's because you face increased violence, ostracism (often from your own family), etc etc.
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> Anybody who struggles to instinctively navigate social norms and behaviors will also struggle to instinctively navigate gendered norms and behaviors, simply because the two are inextricable. But if masculine and feminine gender roles are equally difficult to navigate, that doesn't explain why transitioning would help. You'd just be swapping out one difficult gender role with another.
> But if masculine and feminine gender roles are equally difficult to navigate Suicide rates are much higher among males. So maybe this assumption does not hold.
I presume this is a consequence of the datasets they had to work off but it is really frustrating that they have one catchall "transgender and gender-diverse" category, segmenting by birth sex or particular gender identified with would be interesting/valuable
I realize this might be rude but I'm not sure what the polite way to ask is, isn't your sex always your birth sex for the most part? Outside the effects of the medications and the cosmetic effects of the surgery isn't your body still mostly the same as far as the nuts, bolts, and genetic disorders, are concerned?
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Trans people in general were largely ignored by research until the 2010s, so there's very little we do know at this point. But as for unresearched hunches... There's lots of jokes in the trans community about how your stereotypical trans girl is on the autism spectrum, with rainbow-colored hair, and into kink, anime, and programming. I think there's more of a willingness to challenge societal expectations of us in th…
Is it not seen as societally acceptable in the States to wear colorful clothes as a male teenager/adolescent? I know I grew up in the ‘90s (in Europe) and as a kid I knew I liked colorful shirts (red, yellow) well into my mid-teens, I didn’t see them as male or non-male. The only comment I received about the color of a thing I own happened relatively recently (I’m almost 40 now), as one of my aunts remarked that my c…
I once overheard an American (M, 30s) visiting Europe commenting on European men wearing coloured trousers (red, orange, turquoise, etc).
You’ll also find colours of outdoor clothing in the US to be more muted, or the overly garish ones in fewer numbers.
On that note, men in tights without over-shorts is increasingly common in my parts of Europe. And nobody here gives me shit for wearing pink.
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I'd love to hear your theories if you'd be willing to share them.
Trans people in general were largely ignored by research until the 2010s, so there's very little we do know at this point. But as for unresearched hunches... There's lots of jokes in the trans community about how your stereotypical trans girl is on the autism spectrum, with rainbow-colored hair, and into kink, anime, and programming. I think there's more of a willingness to challenge societal expectations of us in th…
Also completely judgment free, if not even with a little bit of envy.
Do you know people who have strong hobbies? Like not just building sometimes a lego set but having a basement full of it, sorted etc. Only doing this for a long time as well.
Or people who dress very strongly: Punks, Certain Type of homosexual people,Hippies, Antifa, Nazis.
I was and still not sure what my thing is and i have the feeling that i'm going thorugh my life looking a little bit left, a little bit right. Hardcore fetishes don't bother me but don't have an appeal that i would do it. Wearing stuff like artsy stuff is entertaining to look at but i wouldn't put the effort into it.
But what is the difference to those people who get stuck? Yeah thats what i call it basically. Stuck people. They have been Antifa for 20 years. They go to work, don't throw in window but still a little bit alternative. More extreme, more passionate about those kind of things perhaps?
I'm not an expert at all in Transgen etc. and yes i personally from my simplified worldview, i would probably not risk an op if i would feel different. I would perhaps (and of course i don't know that) just sit it out?
When i see Transgen people on hacker events, they created a subculture.
I'm a nerd but i always wanted to play with all the other 'normal' kids and a subculture is effort and perhaps group thinking and group pressure.
And on the other side, they have their crazy cool lego sets, and train models and are experts in a niche. They know exactly what they will do for the rest of their lives. I will continue to look left and right and just continue.
I would love to understand more what type of shades are out there and why.