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Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by burfog »

i_am_proteus wrote: post #243
burfog wrote: post #221

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I thought it was a pair of motorcycles side-by-side according to mutual prior agreement. That would be understandable. Those other things are crazy. Unintentionally, I will kill you. I hope the law would agree that it is 100% your fault, because I would want to sue your estate for damages both physical and mental.

This is not how the law works in most countries and in California. You are also more likely to unintentionally kill me if I don't lane split. Anecdote: a motorist lost control of his vehicle at highway speeds far ahead of me, causing everyone to brake suddenly. I split into the braked cars and slowed down. The car I had been behind was rear-ended violently. If I had not lane split, I would have been rear-ended violen…

I'm paying attention to the road ahead, so I wouldn't rear-end anybody. On the other hand, I have huge blind spots to the side and anyway my attention is mainly to the road ahead. I barely fit in the lane, and would easily crush you with my 3 to 5 tons. Recently I was driving with about 4 inches to the adjacent vehicles on each side. You don't fit in 4 inches; this is not a scrape. That came up unexpectedly, as the lanes narrowed and other large vehicles were beside me.

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Post by dexterdog »

cogman10 wrote: post #217
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #42

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You can drive a manual in stop and go traffic (and I don't mean that suburban sprawl "run through the gears between each stop light" type of stop and go you get in some places, I mean like going 10-30ft at a time between stops). That doesn't make it not obviously worse for the task than an automatic. The extra cognitive load of having to worry about range and where you're going to charge is a pain in the butt that mo…

Having just done a 1000 mile (1600km) road trip through Oregon, it wasn't really that big of a hassle. I told my car where I wanted to go, the tesla routing software put down pins on where to charge and told me how long to charge. That was it. If anything, planning for gas stops is much more of a burden, because usually as you are driving, once you get to ~1/4 full you are thinking to yourself "Ok, where can I stop t…

If you are on a highway with 1/4 tank you are likely to have a number of options before you get close to running out an you can be taking just about any route you want. With a supercharger dependency you are highly limited.

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

whycombagator wrote: post #208
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #194

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> I was pretty shocked when they said it was over €100k. I pulled up the same car for about $60k at my local dealer in the states and that price is before bargaining. I don’t believe you. The only stock 5 series over €100k is the M5 Limousine (€119k). All other models are well below €100k, unless they come with options / BMW Individual. 550d Touring xDrive is €82k base price (with taxes). I’m looking at a 2019 530d M…

Just for your reference, it appears the 520i is not offered in the US. The base model would be the 530i. It doesn't seem like a 530d or a 550d are offered in the US...but for some kind of comparison: with little effort I was able to find a 2019 540i xDrive with the M sport package for $53k on cargurus. Factor in taxes and its $57k. Factor in that I haven't even bothered to check autotrader or shop around emailing/cal…

Thank you for these numbers. I just went to the German configurator to have a look at the exact prices. This is what I get: 540i base model with M package is €66250 base price after taxes, straight from the BMW dealer.

But in Europe, we have VAT, depending on the country, 19 to 21%.

Before the taxes, the price is: €55672. Considering the exchange rate of 1.12 USD to EUR, still significantly more expensive than in the US but far, far off of the €100k.

Diesel is by default more expensive because of better economy.

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Post by woodandsteel »

sailfast wrote: post #219
natch wrote: post #98

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I drove from San Diego to SF in one of my many long trips and most of my charging stops were 10 minutes. I also had two 20 minute stops, one 30 minute, and one 15 minute. The 30 minute stop was near the end where I wanted to arrive home near half full. Food, checking out local shops, and coffee + bathroom break for those three longer stops. For the short stops, it was just get a bit of charge, maybe a quick stretch o…

I was going off of a brand new Model 3 performance review on TopGear.com from the Fremont factory to LA design center, which indicated it was closer to an hour with a single stop. (Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gsS-Q3j_Pk )

Most people who drive from SF to LA take more than one break, and if it is only one it will be long with a meal and bathroom breaks, plus some walking around to overcome having sat for so long.

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Post by Zarel »

netsharc wrote: post #76
coding123 wrote: post #58

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I don't get this. Isn't it nightmarish since no one has any idea when it will veer into some random object?

Users of autopilot probably have faith in it, although in some cases (like the guy running into the concrete divider) this caused their deaths. I guess your mindset is different to the grandparent poster's mindset. He thinks autopilot is as reliable as a human chauffeur, to you (and probably to me too) it'd be like having a driver which you can't communicate with and might suffer epilepsy and fatally yank the wheel a…

I hear a lot of this from people who've never tried Autopilot, and yet everyone who has tried Autopilot loves it.

My best guess here is that "babysitting an epileptic chauffeur" may sound scary, but in practice it's a lot less stressful than actually driving. Not needing to focus on lane-keeping and maintaining safe following distance is probably a lot nicer than you might expect – you still have to pay attention to lane-keeping, but that might even be easier when you're not forced to focus on the mechanical part of it.

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Post by Erlich_Bachman »

eclipxe wrote: post #133
Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #99

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Because there are many great cars that fit all those requirements and that are usually cheaper than a current Tesla, better equiped than a Tesla (autopilot being the single exception, even though BMW, Porsche, VW and many others already have lane assist which is basically a little worse (but still comparable) version of Tesla's autopilot). Why bother with renting when you can just take your own car?

"basically a little worse (but still comparable)". No, not even close. I had an M5 with BMW's latest lane keeping assist. Tesla's Autopilot is exponentially better. Especially in the last two weeks with unattended highway lane changes. It is night and day different.

What does it mean practically? What do you mean by "exponentially"? VW, BMW, have lane assist. It means the vehicle will stay in the lane. Autopilot will also stay in the lane. Let's say on a 30 minute drive, autopilot will disengage 2 times, VW will disengage 6 times. Is this about right? I don't see an "exponential" difference here, care to explain? I have tried several vehicles that have this, but for short periods of time.

The point is, none of the vehicles are truly automatic yet. I've seen videos of recent automatic lane changes too, there seems to be problems with proper speed and accurate changes, unless perfect road conditions...

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Post by edm0nd »

zmarty wrote: post #165
edm0nd wrote: post #145

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You most certainly can prevent it from paging home to BMW. Either thru the settings menu or hacking it via ODB2 port and coding it off with software like E-Sys.

Yeah, like any normal customer would do. /s

I mean, it's the same software the a BMW dealership uses when they code your car. I was easily able to learn how to code my own BMW using it within a day. It's not hard.

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Post by Klathmon »

burfog wrote: post #251
i_am_proteus wrote: post #243

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This is not how the law works in most countries and in California. You are also more likely to unintentionally kill me if I don't lane split. Anecdote: a motorist lost control of his vehicle at highway speeds far ahead of me, causing everyone to brake suddenly. I split into the braked cars and slowed down. The car I had been behind was rear-ended violently. If I had not lane split, I would have been rear-ended violen…

I'm paying attention to the road ahead, so I wouldn't rear-end anybody. On the other hand, I have huge blind spots to the side and anyway my attention is mainly to the road ahead. I barely fit in the lane, and would easily crush you with my 3 to 5 tons. Recently I was driving with about 4 inches to the adjacent vehicles on each side. You don't fit in 4 inches; this is not a scrape. That came up unexpectedly, as the l…

And lane splitters are paying attention to the road ahead, and are watching to make sure they have enough space, that they have an escape, that there is nothing in the way, and that nobody has a turn signal on or has room to suddenly change lanes. And if any of those isn't true, they stay in their lane and don't split. Lane splitting sounds terrifying if you've never done it, but it's actually very straightforward and boring.

You as a 4-wheeled vehicle driver have to do nothing differently to accommodate lane splitters, they will go around you when it is safe, and as long as you follow the other rules of the road (use your turn signals, and don't suddenly jerk around wildly within your lane), everyone can be happy.

And if you live in an area where lane splitting is legal, and you want to be nice while you are sitting in traffic, you can stay to one side of your lane matching the other drivers ahead of you, so that while you are mostly still, bikers can continue past.

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Post by _ea1k »

georgerobinson wrote: post #213
_ea1k wrote: post #187

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I drive a sports car on public roads. Straight, level, boring public roads with low speed limits. Straight line is basically the only thing that matters 90% of the time. For the other 10% of the time, the difference between a Tesla and the ICE equivalent still doesn't matter or possibly even favors the instant response of the electric drivetrain.

It sounds like you're just not driving on the right public roads. In the US, to name just a couple, there are: - Hells Canyon, Idaho - Saddle Road, Hawaii - Mulholland Highway, California - Route 9W to Storm King Highway, New York - Route 348, Helen, Georgia - M119, Harbor Springs, Michigan - Highway 1, Big Sur, California In the UK: - Horncastle to Louth - Cat and Fiddle - Evo Triangle - Forres to Alford - Black Mou…

I mean, its not that I disagree with you, but the closest one is almost 300 miles from here. I used to drive some pretty good ones in western NC as well, tbh. There's a reason there are so many Miatas up there. :)

But here it is all straight and flat.

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