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Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015)

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Re: Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015)

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

zaphirplane wrote: post #79
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #49

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I would not trust any person who cheated on their spouse either. Nor would I want to hang out with colleagues at a strip club if we were not friends outside of work. I don’t think this is some gender thing. Maybe be men are more likely to be coerced into doing these things. But I think they’re having fun.

Such an absolute and unconditional statement can’t ever be right, Never say never

Relationship not working for you? Tell them. I’d love to hear a logical reason to cheat.

I suppose at the same time you shouldn’t jump to conclusions.

But if I knew someone was cheating. Definitely trusting them much less.

Re: Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015)

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Post by lovich »

hackits wrote: post #248
lovich wrote: post #56

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If you can't make a moral judgement about other people just because they are different from your culture, you are both setting them apart from you as a human and saying that your morals have no values. There are some viewpoints like which is the best kind of bread that you can leave to personal taste, but if you view something as evil and let others off for it just because they are different then you might as well ha…

Sorry lovich, you're making this personal. Cannot have a personal discussion here. Only can make witty, conforming viewpoints of society and social norm's here. I agree completely with your view point and it's great to have such a open discussion with it here. This is a safe space of truth, and cast no moral, social, political bias. Have a nice day.

You can have a discussion and disagree with me, you just have to avoid the insults man. I've done it in the heat of the moment and been reprimanded as well, but it's better for all of us if we try to not start with that

Re: Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015)

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Post by lagadu »

dagw wrote: post #134
lagadu wrote: post #106

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> Even at company parties at big corporations, some Sales and Marketing folks tend go a bit overboard - and employees hooking up with each isn't unusual during such festivities either. Heh, you should see company parties in northern Europe.

I think that's largely a myth or at least an exaggeration. I've worked in both Norway and Sweden (and currently live in Sweden) and I've never seen an office party get even close to going way overboard. Office parties in the US and the UK I've seen have been 'worse'.

Maybe it's more of a Danish thing but that description is pretty accurate of the parties here: getting blackout drunk and hooking up is bread and butter.

Re: Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015)

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Post by zavi »

vetinari wrote: post #148
zavi wrote: post #130

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A premise that there's less racism in Europe than in the US is just wrong (I'm a European who've spent a lot of time in the US for work and school). US is the PC capital of the world (for better or worse). There's just not a whole lot of non-white folks in Europe even now.

I guess you haven't been to UK or France recently ;) Being PC doesn't mean not being racist. They will keep their thoughts to themselves and will not let you know directly. But behind your back, oh boy...

I'm literally in France now.

I hear people talking trash about 'brown' refugees on a daily basis here in Paris. I've probably heard something similar once or twice in my 8 years in the US, mostly coming from mentally unstable people like the ones you see in the streets in San Francisco.

TBH UK is a lot more sensitive than the mainland Europe (there's a lot more immigrants in London too).

Anecdotal, of course, but that has consistently been my impression.

Re: Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015)

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Post by 55555 »

linuxkerneldev wrote: post #97
55555 wrote: post #15

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I'm pretty sure it's always been very normal in Thai society. The sex tourism, at least for westerners, started with the RnR stuff, as the story goes, but Huai Kwang is 98% Thai clients and probably 30X+ the size of any of the more visible Bangkok "sex tourism spots" (patpong, nana, cowboy). 97%+ of the sex being paid for in Thailand is being paid for by Thai people. The main thing that changed due to foreign influen…

> I'm pretty sure it's always been very normal in Thai society. It is unclear which "it's" you are referring to. Group sex dealmaking or using group sex for bonding business partners as per the original article? I don't think that is normal in Thailand or any Asian society for that matter. As for the history of prostitution in Thailand. That's a well covered subject. You're points are somewhat accurate but OP's point…

> It is unclear which "it's" you are referring to

Sorry, I just meant the sexual service industry in general.

> The location of Thailand plays a key role in the success of the sex trafficking industry. It is close to war-torn Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia. China and Vietnam are also nearby. Various waterways along with porous borders also facilitate trafficking.

I know lol, I live here and have travelled to all of those countries dozens of times. Regardless of whatever you have read, 99% of the prostitutes are Thai women and are working by their own choice, at least as much as any bricklayer or garbageman in Ameria has chosen their line of work. Any other nationalities should be a footnote.

> https://www.endslaverynow.org/blog/articles/history-of-prost....

I'm sorry but this article is silly.

"Trafficking" and "Slavery" in this case are ideologically-loaded euphemisms. There is the sex industry and there is economic (and often illegal) migration. There isn't really a super unique and exploitative sex trafficking industry.

I have never seen a large movement by the Thai middle class to fight "sex trafficking." That's not because Thai people are evil or ignorant, it's just because it's not a big problem that really exists. No one is going to risk enslaving women for sex work when (a) there is a surplus of women perfectly willing to do the job without being enslaved and (b) normal men don't get off on the thought of having sex with slaves.

There is no sex slavery epidemic in Thailand.

Re: Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015)

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Post by jiggunjer »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #54
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #49

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I would not trust any person who cheated on their spouse either. Nor would I want to hang out with colleagues at a strip club if we were not friends outside of work. I don’t think this is some gender thing. Maybe be men are more likely to be coerced into doing these things. But I think they’re having fun.

>I would not trust any person who cheated on their spouse either. I would be careful about that, because that group includes the likes of Martin Luther King, Jr., Stephen Hawking, Einstein, etc. Don't get me wrong, I'm inclined to feel the same way, and have ended personal relationships when I found out someone had cheated on their spouse, but some of history's greatest figures cheated on their spouse.

Don't forget Schrödinger. Is there a correlation with being a physicist?

Re: Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015)

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Post by dm3730 »

forapurpose wrote: post #80
dm3730 wrote: post #51

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> No. There were brothels somewhere in Asia, basically forever. I believe you're intentionally misconstruing my argument. It would be ridiculous to claim that Europeans invented brothels in Asia. What I am pointing out, which is well supported by historical evidence, is that European colonialism, resource extraction culture, such as the encomienda system in the Americas created the political and socio-economic struct…

Very interesting. Could you point to any reading (hopefully online)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encomienda

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_sexual_slavery_in_t...

http://www.envio.org.ni/articulo/1515

Re: Booze, Sex, and the Dark Art of Dealmaking in China (2015)

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Post by nine_k »

erikb wrote: post #197
da02 wrote: post #48

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Why would they get acquired? They were doing good work in-between the partying?

The sad thing about this is that if you are doing this real goal driven it might be your main source of income. You spend your company's money on private immoral fun of customers, customers spend their company's money on your products/services instead of the otherwise not so different competition. The key part is that nobody actually invests their private money, but the value they get out of it is private. That's why…

I wonder how much things would.change were all of this legal. I mean, booze and stripping is already legal; consider also legal prostitution and cocaine.

Is this just having physiological fun together, or having an evidence of illegal conduct for each other, potentially usable as a weapon?

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