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Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by KGIII »

nandemo wrote: post #240
KGIII wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The complaints that I read are often that they aren't actually jobs that couldn't be fulfilled here, with local talent. There have been many claims of training your replacement. If you're training them, it seems most probable that you're able to do the job. There is only a small subset that seems to just be bigoted. And, yes, they do exist. I am pretty sure they are low in number. Most of the complaints are about thi…

So your reply to this... > > This is literally a visa where the requirement is to create jobs for American citizens is this? > The complaints that I read are often that they aren't actually jobs that couldn't be fulfilled here, with local talent

No, I was responding to the questions asked, more or less. It is merely a verbose reply to point out that there are some legitimate concerns about guest workers.

I don't expect that to change in any meaningful way. I would say there are no reasons to expect any different. I'd not be surprised to see Company X 'invest' a certain amount in someone just to get a cheaper person here and then get their investment money back, probably with interest, while paying the imported labor very poorly.

Hell, it'd probably be even less expensive because said company will just use said startup as a contractor. I have no reason to suspect they will doing any additional oversight or enforcement.

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by nandemo »

Indolat wrote: post #120
SamUK96 wrote: post #109

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This is essentially Australia's system, lauded for it's rather strict and rigorous "points"-based immigration system. If you don't meet enough "we want you as a citizen" points, you're simply denied. Contrast that to somewhere like the US where there are many very game-able methods of entry, like the utterly shambolic H1-B visa.

Their point system is set really very, very high and costs much more money than most people can ever save (try saving 5-10 thousands when your monthly salary is some 200 US$ and you have to live off it). I'm pretty sure that some 95% of Australians would never pass it if they were born in a different country. (Long live the privilege of birth!)

The high bar is there to ensure the system satisfies the "will they contribute to our economy" criterion.

Sure, that results in immigrants being more qualified and having more earning potential than the average native citizen. Nothing wrong with that. On the contrary, it means each immigrant will in average increase the country's GDP/capita. It also means the working class will be less likely to oppose immigration.

Where are you from? In middle-income developing countries (Brazil, India, China, Mexico, etc), educated, middle-class people typically earn well over $1000 per month. People who earn $200 per month usually don't fulfill the other requirements in the first place.

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Post by soldierofhayley »

dang wrote: post #244
soldierofhayley wrote: post #3

Earning a lot of money is a pretty damn good proxy for contributing to society. At the very least these people pay some taxes instead of being a drain on society.

We've banned this account for ideological trolling. Not what HN is for. Posting like this account has been doing will eventually get your main account banned too, so please don't create accounts to do this. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14608078 and marked it off-topic.

How do you establish what the main account is? IP address?

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by ghaff »

CountSessine wrote: post #241
ghaff wrote: post #176

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And remember that, as a rule of thumb, add about another third to salaries to come up with total comp (health care, pension, etc.)

Another third of the salaries or another third of the total?

Another third of salaries, i.e. if someone's paying you $100K/year, you're probably costing them more like $133K (before office space, equipment, management overhead, etc.) because of benefits.

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Post by sumedh »

ktta wrote: post #203
sumedh wrote: post #188

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Why is that a bad thing?

Bad or good is just perspective. I'm just saying the parent comment isn't so right anymore.

Its not a perspective, if you say illegal immigration is good then why bother making labels like legal and illegal.

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Post by johnnydoebk »

Sorry for a stupid question but I have to ask. Why everyone is so desperate to start a company and locate it physically in the US? Is it just because of VC money? Wouldn't any safe place with good laws and easy immigration policy do? I don't take seriously Blockchain projects (and consider most of them blatant scam) and they are relatively small now. But longterm can this model solve the part about VC money?

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Post by pavlov »

lucio wrote: post #239
j2kun wrote: post #127

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When the president consistently acts childishly (with corroboration from his staff, videos of him pushing others aside for photo ops, and countless other shenanigans), does one rationally conclude he is childish, or that he is playing "10-dimensional chess?" (as his most zealous champions inevitably conclude) A serious question: what would the president have to do, within reason, for you to consider him petty, childi…

r u sure that you're well informed? >videos of him pushing others aside for photo ops Check it out. The Montenegro PM stepped on Trumps foot, both of them react to that. Ask yourself, What other information have you received in a biased form?

That episode is completely irrelevant. To find out what Trump is like, it's enough to listen to what he says in interviews and writes on Twitter. You can't blame media bias for his own words.

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Post by rtpg »

KGIII wrote: post #220
intended wrote: post #215

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You change the environment. Be clear - this rhetoric, which is so naively being echoed here on HN, of all places, is based on assumptions of a world which does not exist. In this specific case, and depth in the comment tree, there have been 2 incorrect assertions made, the clarification of which leads to the truth. The first is - maybe now america will invest in its own talent the second is - many times people are be…

Rhetoric doesn't do much good. I appreciate the reply but you may just have well said, "Magic!" ;-) To be clear, I'm not sure my question even really has an answer. I understand the need to attract top talent. If we don't, they are just going to go to work somewhere else. At the same time, do we really want to replace local talent with not as talented, but less expensive, people? There are some big implications there…

>do we really want to replace local talent with not as talented, but less expensive, people?

This is a false dichotomy. These people could be just as skilled, if not more. So then your only argument is localism.

Also, if we _let immigrants compete in the labor market properly_ by not handcuffing people like H-1Bs to their company.... they won't be cheaper. They could just get poached by another company or take a job at market rates.

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by ktta »

sumedh wrote: post #256
ktta wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bad or good is just perspective. I'm just saying the parent comment isn't so right anymore.

Its not a perspective, if you say illegal immigration is good then why bother making labels like legal and illegal.

do you understand what you are even saying? There's so many things in play I don't even know if you're serious.
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