God forbid that Americans want to hire and grow American talent, right guys? I mean that's just awful.
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Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule
#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
The complaints that I read are often that they aren't actually jobs that couldn't be fulfilled here, with local talent. There have been many claims of training your replacement. If you're training them, it seems most probable that you're able to do the job. There is only a small subset that seems to just be bigoted. And, yes, they do exist. I am pretty sure they are low in number. Most of the complaints are about thi…
You just described capitalism as it exists today. Even if you did away with immigration, your problem has barely seen any solution at all. If your fear is being replaced by someone who is ready to work for less. There are enough kids who will do anything for a job, including taking a good pay cut. To replace you. The real issue you must be worried about being relevant to the work you are doing. Being productive, reso…
Oh, no. I am quite happily retired.
However, I would suggest that we have a moral obligation to avoid sinking as low as we possibly can. Yes, if people are hungry, they will work for pennies on the dollar.
Ethically, I would suggest we avoid desperate people en masse, for a whole mess of reasons. Hell, I can make a financial argument that suggests we not do that. You get better work from content people who have the means to consume.
I guess it's more a thought exercise. It's probably up to us, as individuals, to do the right things. We don't really have much history of doing so, collectively. Buggered if I have the answers.
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No, they really are shite: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/... The only special election they should be disappointed about is georgia 6th. Many of the rest have been fairly encouraging, given that they have been competitive in red districts.
It pains me to point this out, but I think some people are mad at him for not doing enough. I have to believe that some of the low ratings are due to him not being Trump enough. I am pretty sure there are a bunch that are pissed the ACA hasn't been scrapped yet. Yeah... They also probably want him to outlaw Muslims and probably tell gay people to stop being so fabulous. Also, they probably want to make it illegal to…
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No, they really are shite: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/... The only special election they should be disappointed about is georgia 6th. Many of the rest have been fairly encouraging, given that they have been competitive in red districts.
It pains me to point this out, but I think some people are mad at him for not doing enough. I have to believe that some of the low ratings are due to him not being Trump enough. I am pretty sure there are a bunch that are pissed the ACA hasn't been scrapped yet. Yeah... They also probably want him to outlaw Muslims and probably tell gay people to stop being so fabulous. Also, they probably want to make it illegal to…
I will give Trump supporters some credit, because many of them became genuinely disillusioned after Trump's continuation of the status quo foreign policy in the Middle East and after the Saudi arms deal. Hard-line Obama supporters are easily as racist as Trump supporters, why else would they go mute for 8 years while hundreds of thousands of Muslims are murdered by their candidate?
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You know what can solve most of the issues? Better worker protections. Stopping immigration doesn't stop you from having to train your replacement, they'll just be American instead. Making companies have to treat their workers with a bit of civility will solve a lot of problems.
Alright, I can agree with that. How do you propose doing so, in this specific political climate?
You change the environment. Be clear - this rhetoric, which is so naively being echoed here on HN, of all places, is based on assumptions of a world which does not exist.
In this specific case, and depth in the comment tree, there have been 2 incorrect assertions made, the clarification of which leads to the truth.
The first is - maybe now america will invest in its own talent
the second is - many times people are being told to train their own replacement
The issue is that job distribution is bi-modal in tech.
Theres a cluster at the very high end (jobs as a google scientist), and theres a cluster at the lower end (guys maintaining web pages).
The talent people compete for around the world is for the top end of the curve - and america has been sucking these people away from their home country for ages.
Furthermore - I have seen American talent in American colleges, you do a very good job of converting people into smart people.
This process has only recently been corrupted because of the poor job scenario for the lower and middle ends of the job curve. But its still damn good.
Closing those doors, after the rank xenophobia being displayed by the Administration means you lose out on the part of the curve you want to be competitive on.
Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule
#216A major reason for US prosperity and world-class science and technologies is the immigration of best minds from all over the world.
Within 12-20 years, China's real GDP will overtake the US, assuming that China's GDP grows at an annual rate 2.5+% faster than the US for the period. This is quite plausible given that the current per capita income of China is only 1/7 of the US and its major focus on R&D. Even now, many of the best Chinese graduates from US universities are returning to China to pursue better opportunities there.
China is spending $409 billion (PPP) on R&D, the second highest in the world after the US and ahead of the EU. This amounts to 2.1% of GDP and very high for their stage of economic development [1]. Their goal, from a variety of sources, is to overtake the US as world's no. 1 and reclaim their historical place.
If you look at PISA, China and the rest of East Asia, together with Singapore, consistently perform at or near the top in math and science, and quite well at reading. Even the best performing US state, Massachusetts, is significantly below those in Math and Science [2].
Relatedly, China is catching up to the US in AI. [3] Most groundbreaking research is still conducted in the Western hemisphere, but East Asia is getting there despite much later starts. Also, many top researchers in Western labs are from East Asia, who may later decide to move back once the circumstances change.
Given the above factors, and only one-fourth the population (330 vs 1390 million), if/when the US cannot take advantage of best minds from these and other countries, would it be able to maintain the technological lead for long?
If the answer is no, how about the military and diplomatic dominance, which almost always follows economic and technological leads?
A possibility: If a larger portion of the GOP wakes up to the above, possibly within the next 10 years, they will start to actively recruit high-skilled immigrants, perhaps with some sort of point-based system as in Canada and Australia. Whether it would be too late or not remains to be seen.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_research_...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_St...
[3] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/27/technology/china-us-ai-ar...
Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule
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I wonder if there is an arbitrage opportunity: invest in real estate and office space north of Seattle and south of Vancouver, just over the border. Those who can go back and forth and take meetings on both sides. People are within commuting distance of these large metro areas.
Real estate on the Washington side of the border is insanely cheaper. As soon as you cross the border, prices skyrocket and just keep going up until you hit downtown Vancouver. Seriously, our affordability problem is pretty much at crisis levels. People who argue that we should increase density aren't wrong, but we're already building towers as fast as we can. And the majority of those suffer from substandard, shoddy…
> just keep going up until you hit downtown Vancouver
And it doesn't stop there. West Van is one of the most expensive neighborhoods in Canada.
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If you're American: 1. People contribute to the economy. More people means the economy grows faster. 2. Lots of people would come to USA if it was easier for them to do so. Of course if you are China or other USA competitor, you want low USA immigration, so that people stay in your country, and grow your economy instead.
1. So are you in favor of unrestricted immigration? 2. Yes but that doesn't answer any questions.
1. Within reason, yea pretty much. If we had sane government, I'd be in favor of, say, 10x increases on all types of immigration over the next 10 years. This means hi tech workers, low tech workers, families of current immigrants, amnesty for illegal immigrants, everything. The economy will adapt, and we'll find a way to make use for them.
2. Hopefully (1) does
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I can't understand that rethoric. You get a new consumer as well, so you have merely increased the population.
> so you have merely increased the population. And often they're in they're twenties, meaning society didn't have to pay for the expensive first two decades of growing up. Basically a live is 8 decades, 4 decades of which are unproductive, and 4 decades are productive. If you get an immigrant, you get a 6 decades person that's unproductive for only 2 decades -- and some other society paid for those 2 other unproducti…
Median age for immigrants to America is 44.
Median age for all Americans is 36.
Sources:
http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested-...
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/09/28/chapter-5-u-s-foreign-...
Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule
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Alright, I can agree with that. How do you propose doing so, in this specific political climate?
You change the environment. Be clear - this rhetoric, which is so naively being echoed here on HN, of all places, is based on assumptions of a world which does not exist. In this specific case, and depth in the comment tree, there have been 2 incorrect assertions made, the clarification of which leads to the truth. The first is - maybe now america will invest in its own talent the second is - many times people are be…
Rhetoric doesn't do much good. I appreciate the reply but you may just have well said, "Magic!" ;-)
To be clear, I'm not sure my question even really has an answer. I understand the need to attract top talent. If we don't, they are just going to go to work somewhere else.
At the same time, do we really want to replace local talent with not as talented, but less expensive, people? There are some big implications there and I have seen reasoned arguments to support doing so. It hits very strongly on the concept of what duties the government has to its citizens and to the rest of humanity who are not citizens.
I really don't know. I don't have a solution. I can do your math homework, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how to realistically determine the answers to these questions.
I suspect that nobody would listen, even if I did have the answers. Ah well...