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Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by KGIII »

lazaroclapp wrote: post #77
xxSparkleSxx wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Damn. We might actually have to start investing equally in US children of all socioeconomic classes to ensure we have enough entrepreneurs and bright minds to compete in the global economy. EDIT: WOW, didn't think such an obvious comment would be so controversial (points are swinging up and down cyclically). Do ya'll think we are extremely efficient at turning potential into value from all of our current citizens? Do…

The U.S. should be doing their very best to have the strongest possible education system for all its citizens (and non-citizens living in the country long term). As should any reasonable country. But the fact remains that, unless you are counting with excellent execution in that regard from the U.S. and abysmal negligence from the rest of the world, you simply can't extract the same talent from a population of 400 mi…

The complaints that I read are often that they aren't actually jobs that couldn't be fulfilled here, with local talent. There have been many claims of training your replacement. If you're training them, it seems most probable that you're able to do the job.

There is only a small subset that seems to just be bigoted. And, yes, they do exist. I am pretty sure they are low in number. Most of the complaints are about things like body shops but there have even been complaints involving Disney.

Maybe I'm wrong, but if you can train your replacement, we probably didn't need a replacement. It's not like they move them up the ladder. They lay them off and pay the people with visas very little money, comparatively.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I think, if true, they have a legitimate complaint. Most of them seem to agree that it should be bringing in experts and not lower paid people that need to be trained by the people they are replacing.

So, what do you think? Would you agree that there are legitimate concerns? Many of these complaints do not, to me, appear xenophobic or racist.

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by hkmurakami »

justboxing wrote: post #21
marcell wrote: post #15

From the article: "To qualify for the rule, entrepreneurs would have to meet high standards. A foreigner must demonstrate that he or she will contribute to economic growth or job creation and show that a reputable investor has put at least $250,000 into the company. Under this rule, they can stay in the U.S. for 30 months, with the possibility of a 30-month extension. They cannot apply for a green card during this pe…

> They cannot apply for a green card during this period This will be a deal-breaker for over 95% of the applicants. Even though the H1B Visa is a non-immigrant visa, there was no such clause attached to it like this one. It's what enables 1000s of immigrants (like me) every year to first arrive on a non-immigrant visa and then get the employer to petition their green cards for permanent stay or eventually citizenship…

This visa is basically a slightly easier version of the existing E2 treaty visa.

The E2 visa is a non immigration visa and you must demonstrate your intent to not immigrate to the United States. Given this, the non immigration tenet of this startup visa is a non-issue.

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by rtpg »

KGIII wrote: post #171
lazaroclapp wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The U.S. should be doing their very best to have the strongest possible education system for all its citizens (and non-citizens living in the country long term). As should any reasonable country. But the fact remains that, unless you are counting with excellent execution in that regard from the U.S. and abysmal negligence from the rest of the world, you simply can't extract the same talent from a population of 400 mi…

The complaints that I read are often that they aren't actually jobs that couldn't be fulfilled here, with local talent. There have been many claims of training your replacement. If you're training them, it seems most probable that you're able to do the job. There is only a small subset that seems to just be bigoted. And, yes, they do exist. I am pretty sure they are low in number. Most of the complaints are about thi…

You know what can solve most of the issues?

Better worker protections.

Stopping immigration doesn't stop you from having to train your replacement, they'll just be American instead. Making companies have to treat their workers with a bit of civility will solve a lot of problems.

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by nopinsight »

This is a wild speculation, but is it possible that the Trump administration believes startups to be bad for the Rust Belt working class and other similar demographic they say they represent? For example, greater efficiency and automation could reduce employment of semi skilled people.

In the long run, this line of policies would of course lead to technological slow down and give a big opening for other countries to take the lead in a crucial determiner of economic successes.

Other possible theses may be that they favor the 'native whites' to have control as Steve Bannon used to mention or try to undo the legacies of Obama.

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by escapetech »

pilsetnieks wrote: post #47
seizethecheese wrote: post #42

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> Donny boy should spend more time seeking advice from foreign leaders and less time pushing and arm-wrestling them This statement's only value is political, and is irrelevant when it comes to the issue being discussed.

You should consider the political aspect. Why should anyone rely on anything the government promises, if the next government will likely just scrap it?

The so-called political aspect very relevant, after all it's policy being discussed.

The French tech visa programme remedies the problems with US tech visa that the OP listed, raising the possibility that Macron at least understands the role of government in innovation and technology conducive to attracting talent.

Trump is simply clueless and willingly so about these matters, even when surrounded by advisers. Yet mentioning this is "political" (euphemism for "I'm offended").

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by ghaff »

CountSessine wrote: post #138
cakedoggie wrote: post #128

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What a strange comment. Of course the costs of an education don't just include the teachers salary.

Ok, fair enough. But only 11%? Retric's numbers suggest only 11% of education funding is for teacher salaries. Does that not sound as crazy and outrageous to you as it does to me? Especially when the system seems to be so ... dysfunctional. I don't know a single teacher who hasn't had to personally shell out money for school supplies for their students because their school ran out of paper or something else essential…

And remember that, as a rule of thumb, add about another third to salaries to come up with total comp (health care, pension, etc.)

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by KGIII »

mhh__ wrote: post #158
4msonny wrote: post #139

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last i checked, republicans (and pro-trump candidates) have won every special election since trump came to power. so much for "shite" approval ratings.

No, they really are shite: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/... The only special election they should be disappointed about is georgia 6th. Many of the rest have been fairly encouraging, given that they have been competitive in red districts.

It pains me to point this out, but I think some people are mad at him for not doing enough. I have to believe that some of the low ratings are due to him not being Trump enough. I am pretty sure there are a bunch that are pissed the ACA hasn't been scrapped yet. Yeah... They also probably want him to outlaw Muslims and probably tell gay people to stop being so fabulous. Also, they probably want to make it illegal to point out their bigotry or to call them hateful.

I am pretty sure those people exist. I apologize on behalf of America and ask that you not blame me. ;-)

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by ryanmarsh »

ktta wrote: post #144
ryanmarsh wrote: post #141

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Yes we want capital and brains to flow in but your comment isn't fair. The US has a history of settling refugees here. We also have a purposefully porous southern border and have normalized illegal immigrants.

The current government seems to vehemently oppose the idea of normalizing illegal immigrants.

It seems that way. However if we really wanted to deny border crossing we would. It just isn't really a priority. The issue gets a lot of air time but do you think if it really was a national priority it would be so easy to cross?

When I was a kid we used to cross the river into Mexico to go eat (on hunting trips near the border). We'd pay a guy to row us across and then back. It was a well known thing. People from both sides used it to go back and forth all the time.

Guess what, now that guy in a row boat is an official US border patrol checkpoint. LOL

The border is a big joke.

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by KGIII »

rtpg wrote: post #173
KGIII wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The complaints that I read are often that they aren't actually jobs that couldn't be fulfilled here, with local talent. There have been many claims of training your replacement. If you're training them, it seems most probable that you're able to do the job. There is only a small subset that seems to just be bigoted. And, yes, they do exist. I am pretty sure they are low in number. Most of the complaints are about thi…

You know what can solve most of the issues? Better worker protections. Stopping immigration doesn't stop you from having to train your replacement, they'll just be American instead. Making companies have to treat their workers with a bit of civility will solve a lot of problems.

Alright, I can agree with that. How do you propose doing so, in this specific political climate?

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by angersock »

giarc wrote: post #115
pavlov wrote: post #102

I asked this very question on HN in November 2016: will the "startup visa" survive? Commenters thought that Trump wouldn't interfere with it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12931943 This is a solid reminder that the Trump administration is showing itself to be mostly concerned with undoing anything that Obama did, rather than working for anyone's benefit. You can't apply logic to predict the actions of these pe…

I'm not an American but as an outsider it's so odd to see the anti-Obama stance this government is taking. Look at the US economy coming out of 2008. From my perspective it's done quite well. Unemployment has gone from 10% to 4%, GDP has climbed. S&P and US stocks in general have done exceptionally well. It seems like whatever Obama did was working. Do the Republicans think they can do better? Why not just ride their…

These metrics do not imply that those gains were shared widely by the populace, and especially the employment figures don't account for quality of employment or benefits.

It is unsurprising what has happened.

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