FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote • Hacker News Board

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by cmdrfred » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 9:26 PM UTC

Armisael16 wrote: post #172

cmdrfred wrote: post #101

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It seems few people are actually voting for Clinton, but rather voting against Trump. What is something like this leaves such a bad taste in their mouth that they decide to not vote at all?

Your gut's wrong on this one: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-voters-arent-jus... Most Clinton voters are voting for her, not against Trump.

A single phone poll of "a random national sample of 874 likely voters" (1 in every 350 thousand) does not a fact make in a nation of 300 million people. Sample size is just too small. Such a study would have to be repeated with a larger sample.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by maxerickson » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 9:27 PM UTC

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #208

swissoak wrote: post #147

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>her opponent represents the very real specter of the end of democracy and the closing of our free society Let me get this straight. Hillary intentionally subverted the democratic process by having the DNC work against Sanders. We have concrete evidence of her working with one of her PACs, which again is highly illegal and subverting our democratic process. She has shady and inappropriate meetings with people respons…

> She has Obama, using tax payer money, campaigning for her - while not illegal, is pretty morally bankrupt in my opinion. This is not actually true. While he is forced to only use Airforce One when flying he is required by law to reimburse all costs related to campaigning for anyone . Typically though the president never pays for this and, instead, the candidate they are campaigning for foots the bill. Every single…

The NPR article linked below links a better one for discussing the history of presidents campaigning:

http://www.npr.org/2016/07/05/484817706/looking-back-at-a-ce...

McCain in 2008 and Gore in 2000 both sort of wanted the sitting president to stay out of the campaign. Bush was pretty unpopular and Clinton had a lot hanging over him (Bush left office with an approval rating around 30%, Clinton around 60%).

Reagan campaigned timidly for Bush I.

So in the last 40 years, it hasn't been very common for the sitting president to come out and campaign hard for their parties candidate. Of course they have generally campaigned for themselves, which has a similar issue of dealing with who pays for things.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by chris11 » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 9:27 PM UTC

swissoak wrote: post #231

Delmania wrote: post #207

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Yes, I've seen that interview, where Gingrinch accused Kelley of being fascinated with sex and then attempted to use Bill Clinton's indiscretions as some sort of way to discredit Hillary. This is after he talked to his exwife about divorce while she was recovering from cancer and then later has an affair. At that point, it was clear the interview served no useful purpose. Additionally, all major media publications ha…

Oh no, he tweeted at 3AM. Obviously unqualified to be President. Pathetic.

He tweeted at three a.m. that people should look for a non-existent sex tape because he got his feelings hurt that a model he called fat was publicly supporting Hillary.

I for one hope our president isn't concerned about how much models weigh. And if they are, I hope they don't respond to criticism by slut-shaming that person, especially for something they didn't do. So, no suggesting at 3 am that people investigate the sex life of someone who attacked him isn't very presidential.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by downandout » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 9:32 PM UTC

xenadu02 wrote: post #239

downandout wrote: post #218

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So on the timing....there's an interesting backstory here. James Comey was a lifelong Republican until this year [1]. He appears to be a Republican in the "never Trump" camp. Prior to the public disclosure of Comey's recommendation that Clinton not be prosecuted, Loretta Lynch publicly stated that she would try to appear impartial by going with whatever the FBI recommended. This effectively put Comey - a "never Trump…

Which legal experts? The relevant laws are clear as to what happens. It is the CIO responsible for the individual department who is required to regulate the use of IT resources. It would have been their responsibility to tell Clinton specifically that she wasn't allowed to use the server then cite her if she continued. That didn't happen so she's completely in the clear. The law even allows the CIO leeway to allow th…

Ok, so I'll put aside for a moment the fact that she lied directly to the FBI when the former Secretary of State told them that she didn't know that "C" meant classified, along with the myriad criminal pay-to-play issues that the FBI has simply ignored, both of which are slam-dunk federal felony cases. The law provides for criminal charges when someone uses gross negligence in the mishandling of classified materials - no intent required. According to Comey himself, her conduct actually met the legal definition of gross negligence. He just didn't want to use the gross negligence statute instead of the statute that requires intent because it would have handed Trump the presidency.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by swissoak » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 9:37 PM UTC

chris11 wrote: post #253

swissoak wrote: post #231

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Oh no, he tweeted at 3AM. Obviously unqualified to be President. Pathetic.

He tweeted at three a.m. that people should look for a non-existent sex tape because he got his feelings hurt that a model he called fat was publicly supporting Hillary. I for one hope our president isn't concerned about how much models weigh. And if they are, I hope they don't respond to criticism by slut-shaming that person, especially for something they didn't do. So, no suggesting at 3 am that people investigate…

I'm more concerned about our President's view about foreign wars that kill tens to hundreds of thousands of civilians, but I guess if you want to focus on their tweets then go ahead.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by cmdrfred » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 9:37 PM UTC

downandout wrote: post #254

xenadu02 wrote: post #239

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Which legal experts? The relevant laws are clear as to what happens. It is the CIO responsible for the individual department who is required to regulate the use of IT resources. It would have been their responsibility to tell Clinton specifically that she wasn't allowed to use the server then cite her if she continued. That didn't happen so she's completely in the clear. The law even allows the CIO leeway to allow th…

Ok, so I'll put aside for a moment the fact that she lied directly to the FBI when the former Secretary of State told them that she didn't know that "C" meant classified, along with the myriad criminal pay-to-play issues that the FBI has simply ignored, both of which are slam-dunk federal felony cases. The law provides for criminal charges when someone uses gross negligence in the mishandling of classified materials…

>the fact that she lied directly to the FBI when the former Secretary of State told them that she didn't know that "C" meant classified

She didn't have to lie should could of been grossly incompetent and negligent in her handling of her duties.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by qznc » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 9:38 PM UTC

dmode wrote: post #79

Oooh, so much last minute drama. Great for television.

I agree, season 58 is certainly a very entertaining one.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by fulldecent » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 9:38 PM UTC

xenadu02 wrote: post #239

downandout wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So on the timing....there's an interesting backstory here. James Comey was a lifelong Republican until this year [1]. He appears to be a Republican in the "never Trump" camp. Prior to the public disclosure of Comey's recommendation that Clinton not be prosecuted, Loretta Lynch publicly stated that she would try to appear impartial by going with whatever the FBI recommended. This effectively put Comey - a "never Trump…

Which legal experts? The relevant laws are clear as to what happens. It is the CIO responsible for the individual department who is required to regulate the use of IT resources. It would have been their responsibility to tell Clinton specifically that she wasn't allowed to use the server then cite her if she continued. That didn't happen so she's completely in the clear. The law even allows the CIO leeway to allow th…

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/07/politics/hillary-clinton-colin...

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by mywittyname » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 9:41 PM UTC

vectorpush wrote: post #151

danenania wrote: post #116

Ok, so Hillary Clinton was and continues to be a corrupt, deceitful, and self-interested operator. She's doubtlessly done all kinds of both borderline and outright illegal things throughout her career. No big surprise here. If elected, she will continue to work the highly imperfect system we've got in lots of shady and questionable ways. But please, let's get real. For all her numerous faults, her opponent represents…

I agree with you, but I think she needs to be indicted if the e-mails prove her to be culpable. Ideally she will win the election, and if the e-mails prove damning she will be indicted and hopefully impeached and forced to resign, leaving Tim Kaine to finish off her term, which IMO would be the best case scenario for the country.

Obama will pardon her a la Carter with Nixon.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by cmdrfred » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 9:42 PM UTC

luxuryballs wrote: post #190

Delmania wrote: post #167

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> And Trump is the one threatening our democracy? He has stated that if elected, he'll spend the first 100 days suing his accusers. He believes the press has too much freedom of speech. He has claimed the election is rigged against him, and has all but told his supporters to engage in vote suppression. He has said he will attempt to force all Muslims to register into a database. He has said he will ban all Muslims fr…

He won't be suing anyone from the Oval Office. His lawyers will be suing people after the election for making up false accusations, which is still this year, still during the Obama administration... Does anyone REALLY think that someone who was sexually assaulted by a BILLIONAIRE wouldn't have cashed in already?

>Does anyone REALLY think that someone who was sexually assaulted by a BILLIONAIRE wouldn't have cashed in already?

No actually, they all decided together an hour before the the email leaks were about to be released to the public about things that happened decades ago and to release a tape of him. That clearly has no political motivation what-so-ever and how dare you question it.